[00:02:48]   what's up friends my name is Aaron Ciotti everybody why is that everybody calls me Ciotti welcome to the show I I hurt my back Wednesday night and it's still bothering me so I'm going

[00:03:05]   to be sitting as vertical as I can looking kind of stiff I'm also all hopped up on muscle relaxing some pain meds so fair warning I don't know I don't know how I I might not be able to fly worth of

[00:03:22]   crap tonight so prepare for crashes but Chris Rosser just put out a great little video about about blue J settings on Tiny whoops and we are going to try them out tonight

[00:03:36]   there's two main things that are a little bit different I I'll say this I wasn't I wasn't surprised at all with with the results the results kind of backed up what I've

[00:03:49]   felt and noticed other than the 15 degree timing thing that seems pretty cool it looks like with all the tests that he did 15° timing is is the way to go the default is 22 something 22.1 hold on

[00:04:04]   let me get this to stop beeping by pulling these batteries and then we'll be good so 15 degrees timing 15 degrees of timing seems to be the go-to and then 24 versus 48 versus 96

[00:04:29]   k HTS played out exactly as we've always talked about which is that as you go up higher you get a little bit more efficiency a little bit more power but you lose breaking response we've

[00:04:46]   talked about this a million times I've told you guys over and over and over again that I choose 48 because it's kind of getting you the there there's a big chunk

[00:04:56]   there's a bigger chunk of efficiency and hour when you go from 24 to 48 and then you get you still you don't sacrifice as much breaking so 24 to 48 there's a big jump in power and

[00:05:13]   efficiency 40 48 to 96 there's not as big of a jump 96 to 48 there's a big jump in breaking performance and then 48 to 24 there's not as big of a jump in breaking

[00:05:29]   performance the reason why breaking is important is for situations like Dives when when you're in a dive with a tiny whoop typically what'll happen is it'll start to wind up and that'll pull you

[00:05:44]   off the wall the reason so when you're diving especially next to like a building there's all kinds of garbage air there that if there's any wind the wind is hitting the building and then

[00:05:53]   it's swirling all over the place so that swirling turbulent air you're falling into at zero throttle and so the so if if you turned air mode off it would just wobble all over the place right so all

[00:06:07]   of those wobbles are what the pit Loop is trying to fix and it fixes it in two ways with thrust and with breaking but it does that with each motor individually so as it's coming down if

[00:06:20]   it gets pushed like this it's going to it's going to power up these two Motors to push back but it's also going to break these two Motors down to try to leave it where it is and so with a lack

[00:06:33]   of breaking performance it's going to use more power to fix the wobbles and the bobbles and that's what's going to make it wind up and pull itself off the wall and it makes staying close and then

[00:06:45]   you end up doing things like cork screws and rolls all the way down the building and to me that just doesn't look good right like you're diving down the side of a building the coolest thing

[00:06:54]   you could possibly do is get really close to it and just lock it in and just fall straight down it's just that's just me if you like the way it looks with someone just barrel

[00:07:05]   rolls all the way down the building that's cool there's lots of people that do that I ain't one of them and so the the breaking performance on these rigs is really important and and

[00:07:18]   it's shows up elsewhere it's shows up in all of these situations where the pit Loop is actively trying to fight against outside forces wind typically so if you're flying straight and it gets

[00:07:33]   hit by a gust of wind with 96k it's going to you're going to notice that it jumps up against that wind and if you've got like a constant wind pushing around it you could get into

[00:07:45]   this happens with cop sometimes you can get into the situation where it just starts to fly away and you're zero throttle so to me the breaking performance is really really important

[00:07:56]    and as you go up in WM frequency you lose breaking if if I had a so the the data that Chris has provided us though is fantastic because it's data it's thrust stand

[00:08:14]   data it's there there's no arguing it there's no like oh well it kind of feels like this or it feels we'd kind of figured that out and that's all fine and dandy but now we've

[00:08:25]   got specific data that shows it and that's really really really cool so even even though we've kind of known that it's really awesome that that we now have it in black and white and what

[00:08:36]   that's going to allow you to do is more accurately set up each individual rig his testing you should not see his testing and then take every single build that you have down plug it into blue J

[00:08:51]   and put 96 timing 15 on it timing 15 I mean that doesn't really affect anything negatively so you could make the argument that yes you should take everything down and put 15 degrees of

[00:09:03]   timing on it but the pwm frequencies are more nuanced because there's a plus and a minus there's an advantage and a disadvantage so you can now make the decision based on each individual rig

[00:09:18]   that you've got if you've got a rig that you're never ever ever going to do building Dives with and you never fly it in heavy wind and you need you want or need more efficiency more power

[00:09:32]   awesome 96k pwm done if you have a build that's more like a freestyle kind of setup where you might dive a building you might fly it in the wind you're going to benefit from better motor

[00:09:46]   breaking then 48 is probably your best bet if you had a have a rig that has too much power and you want to really maximize the breaking 24K pwm unfortunately with pwm frequencies there

[00:10:04]   are other things that can happen like the sometimes the lower pwm frequencies can generate more noise so that's something that you want to kind of pay attention to but that that's

[00:10:16]   pretty rare by the way where is it the my Mobula 71s elrs that went for a swim after I left it on the fan for two days this time it's good to go we're going to

[00:10:33]   fly it tonight and it came back to life all is well good to go if you get if your quad gets fully submerged in fresh water all is not lost get the battery unplugged as quick as possible and put

[00:10:50]   it in front of a fan if you're out flying turn your car on turn the air conditioning to Max put it on the floorboard put it on the floor vents setting and turn on sometimes you've got

[00:11:02]    well if your air conditioning has like AC switch position and then AC Max what the max switch position does is it closes the the the vents to the outside and it just recycles the the inside air

[00:11:17]   if you're a cheap bastard like me and you've got an old cheap car it'll have like a physical lever that has a little arrow the the arrow will usually be like like they'll be like

[00:11:29]   one Arrow like this this is an arrow by the way there'll be one Arrow like this and then there'll be one Arrow where the bottom part of the arrow like loops around that is when it what the arrow

[00:11:41]   that's like this that is pulling in outdoor air the arrow that looks it's a closed loop like a closed loop system that is closing the external Vents and just recycling the inside air

[00:11:52]   and that's what you want you want to recycle the inside air your air conditioning dries out the air so put it on floorboard put it on Max let your car idle if it won't overheat and

[00:12:04]   put the quad down on the floorboard right under those vents so that that cold dehumidified air is blowing right on the quad and leave it all the way home and then when

[00:12:17]   you get home take it out of the car and put it on top of a fan if you have like a box fan just put it directly in front of the the airf flow of the fan for 24 hours halfway through try to take it

[00:12:28]   like so with a tiny wo I have a fan that points straight up so with a tiny whoop like halfway through I flipped it upside down just get moving air on it for like 24 to 48 hours and it will more

[00:12:41]   than likely come back to life the meteor 65 air is one of the first rigs that I've fully submerged that hasn't come back to life that was super saddening but it had to happen

[00:12:56]   eventually is there something going on with the camera mount on this guy why does this camera look it's a little bit sideways what's happening little friend so Mobula 7 with the X12 AIO is

[00:13:10]   is back I was going to as we talked about on the last stream I took one of the RC car chasing rigs apart and I put it back into a 75mm frame that's the rig that was in this frame frame with the

[00:13:30]   82.8 VCI Motors and it was doing that weird thing with ESC core temperature warnings and so last live stream i' said that I'm going to pull that out and put it into this frame with tiny whoop 0603

[00:13:45]   30,000 KV prototypes and I tried to do that but the motor leads are like two cm Too Short so I got very demoralized and stopped and then later that day I hurt my back and neck and so it's just been

[00:14:06]   sitting I don't really I don't know what to do about that I don't know if I should desolder these leads and then solder on a fresh set that's probably what I'll do but in the interim what

[00:14:19]   I'm going to do this guy is on 0802 25,000 KV Motors this Frame is on those custom put together ao2 30,000 I'm just going to take it out I'm going to put it back in here and we can

[00:14:34]   test 25,000 KV versus 30,000 KV because there could be something magical about these old school HappyModel 0802 25,000 the thickness of the the thickness of the wire that they use in

[00:14:53]   the windings on the sters rather it's might be like like more optimized than the higher KV Motors so there're those Mo those 25,000 KV Motors might have more grunt which I'm hoping

[00:15:08]   maybe I can feel but I don't know I I have a feeling that happy HappyModel manages to make a lot of different KV Motors and they all seem to make really really really good power

[00:15:24]   so I get the feeling that they are changing up the winding thickness in between motor sizes like they should so I don't I think what we'll see is that the 30,000 do have

[00:15:39]   more power but let's test it and find out for somewhat sure it's we're still using I mean we can get some good data back right we can get RPM data out of the RPM

[00:15:54]   filtering but most of what we're doing here is like like checking this stuff by feel which is the worst possible way to do it but without like a proper wind

[00:16:07]   tunnel to test these motors in an unloaded state where as if they're flying through the air the thrust stand data it's not it's we don't when as soon as we start

[00:16:21]   flying these things the they're no longer on a Thrust stand Chris has a video coming out Chris's next video coming out has a bunch of thrust stand data from a bunch of different tiny

[00:16:33]   whoop Motors and it's going to be great I'm sure and there's we're going to learn something from that but that's it's not going to be the whole story and what you're almost certainly going

[00:16:44]   to see is that the higher KV Motors at some point really fall on their face but many of you have run these higher KV Motors and damn well that they make more power it's obvious you can

[00:16:57]   hear it you can feel it's definitely there so and I warned Chris about this Chris Chris messaged me a while ago asking to get on a call to talk about tiny whoop Motors cuz

[00:17:11]   he was going to be testing them and we we couldn't like a couple days went by I didn't know how quick he was putting the video out a couple days went by and then so I just info dumped on him

[00:17:22]   in in Discord and one of the things that I told him is that on the thrust stand he's going to see the higher and he'd already done some of the thrust testing I I think he might have already actually

[00:17:32]   mentioned this but having mentioned having seen it but I told him exactly that and so hopefully he brings that up in the video and kind of mentions that and

[00:17:45]   and I don't know we'll see he always does really good stuff though I'm super excited for that so here is this camera and canopy going into the other mob

[00:18:00]   7 1S frame that I've got let's push this AIO down onto the posts as carefully as we can it's the hardest part of any tiny whoop build just getting the damn thing to sit down without the grommets popping

[00:18:22]   off as a rubber grommet pops off all right come on come on back little friend come on in the Chad doubles FPV was first soap Legend 123 was next Frank Nicholas tongue out FPV Northern Tier Scotty

[00:18:41]   Scott Smoking Dog Kujo Titan Chuck P Scotty Scott Zoe 101 notice J DS MC mucas sulfur slow Cal Trey prog Johnny Cat Douglas otwell Anonymous Andrew Taylor Parker Guy Brad

[00:18:58]   mon what's up friends thanks for coming I apologize in advance for a bit of a low energy stream I am like I am whacked out I I I usually usually when I hurt myself or I get

[00:19:15]   sick or whatever like I'll just kind of tough it out and just wait but with this like I couldn't get any sleep cuz my neck hurt and so I started taking the pills

[00:19:29]   and then and it's just like leftover medicine that that Maggie and I have from previous injuries and then once you pop you can't stop no

[00:19:42]   don't being addicted to pills is not cool I this is I don't want to make a that's bad to make jokes out of that that's a real thing people really struggle through it

[00:19:55]    but I I I feel like I I've gotten a ton of sleep though which has been nice because I just want whatever the hell is going on back here to kind of fix itself we they they taught

[00:20:06]   us some so this this happened at West Coast Swing lessons we were doing this move where basically as the lead I I hold my AR that looks weird don't read into that at all a as a

[00:20:25]   lead I held my arm up like this and the follow kind of like swings under your arm so I and there's a lot of like you maintain like this tension in West Coast Swing which is really cool

[00:20:39]   basically like you're always pulling against each other and so if one person wants to really move quickly they've got your body weight that they can they can pull against and it's one of the

[00:20:49]   things that makes it so smooth and cool looking and so with whatever you're doing there's always tension so for me the tension is upwards on my arm all the way outstretched and the lead is

[00:20:58]   is is grabbing my wrist right so it's like this big long lever and we did this move over and over and over again with like 20 different people you you rotate you you do it once or

[00:21:09]   twice with each each person then you rotate to the next boom boom boom boom boom boom boom so I did this move over and over and over again and I the the compliment that I get from the

[00:21:19]   instructors a lot because we dance with them they're in that rotation as well is that I have really good like tension we just call that tension and I got that same compliment that night

[00:21:30]   like your tension's really good it's all I was having trouble with the footwork but and the one lead was like no no don't even worry about the footwork your tension is good I'll take good tension

[00:21:38]   over footwork any day of the week I was like oh cool and then I wake up I wake up Thursday I'm like [@$#%] and it's like it goes it's just some muscle that goes like

[00:21:50]   straight down and I can just feel that it's like connected to this kind of part of the rotator cuff that that I was and like you don't do that like what do you do like what activity do you

[00:22:01]   do where you put force in this upwards Direction what I mean but also I'm terribly out of shape this is one of the the many occasions where just me being out of shape bites me in the

[00:22:15]   ass because I just I don't like respect the fact that I'm out of shape and I just push through although I will say there was absolutely no like Wednesday night it felt completely fine and I mean I mean

[00:22:28]   like I'm sure I was all jacked up on adrenaline and goofballs and whatnot but don't get old kids if you're young and you're watching this just don't get old just die now

[00:22:46]   apparently is my advice to you is there did is do I really have this motor plug so stuck in here that I'm going to have to take this thing apart to get it out don't you dare make me there we go

[00:22:59]   okay I was going to say man I was going to say man if you want to talk directly to me in the chat all you got to do is type CiottiFPV you can put natat in front of it but you don't have

[00:23:09]   to notice says hope you're feeling better better brother a little bit I I felt a little bit better today than yesterday yesterday sucked I was like anything that I did would just fire

[00:23:23]   this sabb pain down my back if you've ever heard like your neck or your upper back you'll know what I mean it's connected to everything and it's just like absolutely the most annoying thing

[00:23:38]   ever cuz like you just feel like you can't live and so I just kind of slept yesterday so there's that why won't there it is get in there Lewis there we go bradm says could you run through your

[00:23:58]   current 5-in setup and what's the all-up weight all-up weight is between 595 gram and 610 depending on what motors I have one build back there on ax 2305 halfs and that's the one that's

[00:24:20]   595 the rest of them have t-motor F40 Pro 4S which are slightly heavier and they bring the all up weight to like between 600 and 610 and there's also just like weird

[00:24:36]   stuff like like the the you'll never build two rigs that are exactly the same weight it's maddening they're always going to be off by a couple of grams and no matter how hard you look at

[00:24:49]   the two builds next to each other there's just I don't know what it is it's crazy it's like you used more I don't know I guess maybe if you bought two full sets of electronics if you bought

[00:25:09]   everything all at once I guess maybe you could have two builds that are the same exact weight but that's not what we do we we end up having like a different flight control slightly

[00:25:19]   different flight controller a slightly different ESC or two different battery straps or what I mean or the the the frame one frame you bought a couple of months ago and the

[00:25:30]   other one you bought a couple of weeks ago and they slightly changed the thickness of the carbon or it's getting cut by a different company that's using different kind of carbon right 20 x

[00:25:39]   20 ESC up front 30x30 ESC in the middle Aon ak32 35 amps which you can't buy anymore I just made a weird movement and my neck just exploded I just told you the motors it's the old school FPV cycle

[00:25:56]   Glide frame I run tattoo 6s 1050 meh batteries the version ones the really light ones that are kind of hard to find session five brain 3D

[00:26:10]   Mount those are the main things one of them is digital the rest of them are analog it's about it the things the reason I'm not telling you what flight controller what ESC is cuz it doesn't

[00:26:25]   matter if the flight controller works you're good to go if it stops working you got to replace it like there's not a flight controller that's going to make a rig fly better than another if they

[00:26:38]   have different like if they have different Gyros they might tune a little bit differently but like that's a gyro thing that's not a flight controller thing same thing with esc's

[00:26:48]   if the ESC works it's good it's not going to fly appreciably different than anything else the things that make rigs fly different are the frame the motors oh props I run GemFan 49 43s

[00:27:01]   things that make a rig fly different are propellers Motors frame all up weight which is kind of bleeds over into all those the other stuff but those are what makes a

[00:27:14]   rig feel enough different that you can notice it and it like actually matters 6x1 FV says but have you seen Chris Rosser fly a tiny whoop his last whoop review we had some indoor

[00:27:26]   whoop flying DVR and I was shock how poor don't be mean howed how poor a wo pilot is kind of makes me doubt to setup that I know you're not specifically trying to be mean but that you got to

[00:27:39]   phrase it in a different way than that look flying tiny whoops is incredibly difficult we've seen Chris fly outside he's a he's a totally fine pilot but then flying tiny whoops inside is

[00:27:53]   absurdly difficult Chris would have to do what I tell you guys that you have to do which to fly a thousand batteries to get even remotely good at it his also as we've talked about quite a bit

[00:28:07]   Chris's setups and his gear that he makes are based around engineering why wouldn't they be he's an engineer we're so lucky to have him we're so lucky to have an engineer in in our

[00:28:21]   world right it's amazing it's a perfect example of like where do you want to put your time he's putting his time into testing and into engineering stuff not into flying does he fly

[00:28:33]   absolutely can he fly better than a whole bunch of the the reviewers that have tens of thousands of subscribers on YouTube yep but he's spending his time testing stuff and Engineering

[00:28:50]   stuff rather than spending his time flying I am the complete opposite side of that I have spent the majority of my time flying I decided very early in this hobby that flying was going to

[00:29:02]   be it for me and so I got very lucky but that's years right like I'm literally years and years and years ahead of people that haven't done that maybe someday they'll they'll decide that they

[00:29:12]   want to focus on flying that would be great Chris is not reviewing products I have problems with reviewers talking about the flight characteristics of stuff when they're not very good of a

[00:29:27]   pilot that's not what Chris is doing Chris is diving into the to the the technical side of it and the engineering side of it and giving us data based on that and that's perfect like he's he's

[00:29:38]   dead on the money there so what we don't see Chris doing is getting in the newest emac rig and talking for 20 minutes about the flight characteristics and how it power loops and how it Dives

[00:29:49]   and stuff right hey knows what he's good at and he does what he's good at and the the data that he gives us is not he doesn't have to be a good pilot to present the data that he's

[00:30:04]   presenting I do right like I talk to you guys about flight feel and what it feels like in the real world that's what we're going to do tonight right we're going to take a look at Chris's settings and

[00:30:15]   see if there's if they are noticeable in the real world if there's any positives if there's any NE negatives so for me right it's important that I've flown tens of thousands of batteries so

[00:30:27]    I've absolutely no problem with the fact that Chris is not top 100 tiny woop pilots in the world he doesn't pretend to be right and so I'm totally fine with it do

[00:30:42]   I wish that he that he was like one of the best whooop pilots in the world sure but like how's he going to do that where's he going to come up with the time to fly thousands of batteries right

[00:30:52]    everybody has their Specialties and personally I like when people specialize in stuff right I love that Chris specializes in the engineering side of it and presents data from that side of

[00:31:07]   it I love that I have focused on the flying part of it I love that Joshua has his specific kind of focuses I love that prop Pilots have their specific Focus right you're you're not going to find

[00:31:19]   one person that has enough time in the day to do all of those things not yet at least I mean we get as FPV gets older and older we can kind of see people that are able to do that but it's very

[00:31:33]   rare it's very rare that somebody is is able to perfectly split their time it's also very rare that someone will have like an engineering background like Chris does and then like like obviously

[00:31:45]   right engineering is his passion so in FPV he's going to pursue the engineering side of it right it's rare for it would be very I'd be shocked if somebody with his background just said nah screw

[00:31:57]   the engineering of it I'm just going to practice it to be a good pilot right doesn't make sense we all have our have our our loves and not so loves I told you I'm all hopped up on

[00:32:08]   drugs I'm not going to make sentences that are great tonight perfect perfect example sentences that are great awesome so it's totally fine he's not presenting data talking about like

[00:32:20]   flight characteristics and if he is he's presenting it from the data that he's Gathering From the engineering side of it he always anchors everything that he does in the engineering and so like

[00:32:33]   I've not I've not watched a single video of his where I've been frustrated because I've felt like he's kind of talking out of his ass and that's a thing that happens to

[00:32:46]   me when I watch a lot of stuff like a lot of a lot of people in FPV I can't watch their reviews because there's a point where I'm just like oh come on like you're not a good enough pilot to

[00:32:59]   it sounds like a dick thing to say but like sorry you're not a good enough pilot to really understand that you haven't tested enough stuff to have a big enough sample size right there's all

[00:33:08]   these like little things so totally fine with it flying tiny whoops inside is very very difficult extra extra extra extra difficult we bed FPV is in the house what's up zotech how are you

[00:33:24]   brother he says what's the good word the good word is pain medication Walter says if you have AO motor wires without a connector why don't you solder you're half the way instead of solder the

[00:33:40]   PCB what are we talking about here Walter are we talking about Chris's video hey direct soldered they direct soldered the tiny whoop Motors to a little race wire is that what we're talking about

[00:34:00]    if that's not what we're talking about if you have AO motor wires I think maybe what you might be asking is if if you have a set of Motors that doesn't have plugs on them why not just direct

[00:34:14]   solder it to the AO you might as well I mean you have two choices either do that or desolder if if the motor has a PCB on it desolder those and then solder on a set of wires with connectors

[00:34:28]   on them but that's different it's you do you do whichever you want I still don't like direct soldered Motors Pico free says 703 27,000 reaches 68,000 RPM in Flight

[00:34:46]   that's really high are those the RC and Powers I've been really interested in that 703 motorc size BetaFPV has a 703 what no way looks like they're sold out this is this is look an old this is an old motor

[00:35:17]   design look at that lip on the bottom of the Bell that's weird I'll be damn though I didn't know they had a 703 that's pretty cool 703 what did you say there 27,000 27 okay let's see if that helps

[00:35:32]    RC and power interesting I've heard that all of these RC and power tiny whoop Motors absolutely Hammer your batteries though but I am super curious about

[00:35:45]   these 703s let's take a look at the at what that Stater volume is 0703 let's compare that to 0802 man it's not well okay so it's got it has more volume it has quite a bit more

[00:36:09]   volume this is the 802 on the bottom bunch more Stater volume but not as much surface area but with the narrower taller can they're going to have better better response

[00:36:32]   whoops interesting that could be a good 75 mimet motor right there picano free holy just cost me $50 I have to do a tiny Boop order at some point so I'm going to move this

[00:36:50]   over here and I will get some at some point here comes a Link in chat to how you can make turtle mode arm at the same time so you only have to hit one switch somebody sent it somebody tagged

[00:37:07]   me in over on Discord and this is very cool I have too many damn what was that I have too that was weird I have too many rigs to make this switch and I don't want half of my rigs to have this

[00:37:25]   half of them to not have it that could be a little weird and dangerous but that's a really cool little trick and it's on the video it's like a 60- second long video super easy to do

[00:37:36]    all right all right scrolling back up I'm way behind let me find it Morton upshot says what conclusion you like the igal motors or the 102 motors for the 75mm WalkSnail build 1s

[00:37:54]    at the moment I don't like any Motors on the 1S 75mm WalkSnail build but I am retesting a bunch of them at the moment it has the you just got to wait

[00:38:13]   um I'm not really all that happy with any of them I I I was just figuring that the Brandon bake beans was helping me figure the tune out so I've just kind of figured gotten the tune a little bit

[00:38:24]   dialed in and so now I'm going to be bouncing back and forth with a couple of different Motors so you just I hate to say it B but here here's what I will tell you I I've tested them in the

[00:38:33]   past this is my second past testing Motors on that rig the testing that I previously did looks it's pretty one to one with what I'm seeing now which is that the VCI

[00:38:46]   82.8 27,000 KV Motors are the best in terms of performance and weight all up weight but they Hammer the batteries and you're going to R run your batteries down in like 2 minutes the

[00:39:00]   beta FPV 1102 2200s are kind of like my second favorite favorite but they make the thing heavy and then the RC and Power 102 22000 are like a very close third place they're lighter and they're

[00:39:21]   fine so any one of those three motor the problem with it though is that with any one of those three motors June logo thanks for the subs scribble with any one of those three

[00:39:32]   motors you're going to be pretty happy but it kind of flies like a c whoop it doesn't fly like a hardcore freestyle tiny whoop like we've been able to build on analog setups so

[00:39:45]    that's why I'm retesting it to see if there's any other way but that extra six grams on a 75mm rig coupled with the fact that like 75mm rigs already feel kind of lazy it just I

[00:40:02]   I just don't love it I just don't love it co power says back spasms is one of the reasons I smoke weed nice Mark Jimenez says is it just me or the BetaFPV 0702 30,000 super

[00:40:16]   fragile I've already broken a full set Jesus of four in less than a month I've not I have not heard much about the BetaFPV 0 72s because the HappyModel 72s outperform them so drastically

[00:40:33]   what's breaking Mark is is it the bearings that are breaking I've I've heard that the that bearings are not a good idea for these tiny little Motors so I have not heard much I've not heard many

[00:40:49]   people running those BetaFPV 72s interesting how how are they breaking I'm super interested tag me again Scotty Scott says don't get old don't get old too late today is my 67th birthday

[00:41:00]   who's that hello oh sobody sound like falling down the stairs Co power says when it comes to age don't send it just don't Sher says do of any canopies that are good for the CO3 I

[00:41:17]   don't know if my sinkies will fit one same answer as as last stream I do not I've I've never seen a single canopy other than the beta fpv1 that's set up for the CO3 it's a weird camera it's

[00:41:29]   taller than it is wide Walter says form a team I have no idea what that means what Walter also says cut wires half the way solder wires again Pon fre says yes the RC and power

[00:41:51]   cool don't cut the wires halfway Walter most of the tiny whoop motors have a little PCB on them that you can solder directly too so don't don't cut the wires halfway and then solder wire

[00:42:09]   to wire desolder the motor wires from the PCB and then solder directly there hopefully that answers your question Northern Tier says I bought a set of 0703 27,000 haven't used them

[00:42:20]   yet was going to hit you up for suggestions they're they're a little bit too big and not a high enough KV for a 65 MIM rig that's going to really rip so my suggestion would be to put him on a 75mm

[00:42:35]   rig Milo says for a heavy 5in build does going up to 2208 versus standard 2207 2306 make sense 6s with GemFan 51 43 51 43s probably not but everybody has their own taste so if you want loads of power

[00:42:50]   2208 will do that 227s hell 236s make tons of power 2207 make significantly more 2208 is like ridiculous like what are you trying to do with the build are you trying to keep

[00:43:02]   up with like 140 mph cars or something typically you would not need to go up to 2208 typic for most people 2207 is plenty and the more power the harder it is to fly in my

[00:43:19]   opinion you want to try to have as little power as possible the less power the better the throttle resolution and the lighter the rig is going to be so for me me it's 2306 is all day long

[00:43:30]   but if a 2306 doesn't have enough power for you I would go up to a 2207 and then if that still doesn't have enough 2208 but man I I have a hard time believing that like a 1900 KV

[00:43:44]   2207 a current a currently made 1900 KV 2207 is not going to have enough power for even a heavy 5-in build that actually reminds me I still have these wasp So speaking of speaking of

[00:44:00]   Motors that make an unbelievable amount of power I have five of these four of them have been run two batteries on two batteries the fifth one is absolutely brand new RC and power right

[00:44:14]   RC and power wasp major these are 22.6 by 6.5 it's basically a 2207 1860 KV these made more power than anything that I think I've ever flown before so if anybody's

[00:44:29]   interested in these let me know Peno says use the closed top HQ by blades 31 mm oh okay you running on little tiny props okay for 68,000 RPM

[00:44:52]   2g4 wow that's a that's a crazy setup that is an awful big motor for a 65mm build for me the 72s are more than enough but to each his or her own I would I would put those onto a 75mm

[00:45:16]   build that that's where I would go with them but I mean if you like the way that flies that's all that matters that I'm shocked that those Motors don't sag those 270 MH batteries down

[00:45:29]   to the 1800s Walter says I would say it's more it's more risk-free to solder wires maybe maybe it's impossible to lift pads that way that's for sure Mark JZ says I'm having a hard time

[00:45:46]   explaining the shaft breaks off Jesus send some pick over to your Instagram wow the shaft breaks off that's rough what frame do you have it on you want to you want to match

[00:46:03]   those Motors up with because those are a little bit taller Motors nah it's not going to help I mean if you're breaking the shafts off those Motors stop buying those Motors there's there's not a whole

[00:46:19]   lot you can there's not a whole lot you can do about that Peno for H says outdoor only 65mm it's really bad on the batteries whoa one to two minute flights Pano you are going to

[00:46:32]   destroy your batteries flying them on a rig that is discharging them that fast we we've been talking about this recently I've had a lot of batteries ever since I've started building these

[00:46:44]   walks snail rigs that get about 2 minutes per battery the the lifespan of my batteries has gone absolutely to hell and that's because if you charge one of these batteries in 2 minutes or

[00:46:59]   less it gets really hot and the heat lipos don't like to get really really hot so beware brother your your batteries are going to start performing really poorly because

[00:47:13]   you're discharging them so fast and they're just getting so hot 2 minutes seems to be sort of like the dividing line you you want to make sure that your builds are not bringing the batteries

[00:47:25]   down in under 2 minutes or else you're going to put a lot of extra stress in the batteries and you're only going to get like 20 30 Cycles out of each battery before the internal resistances

[00:47:34]   are so high that it flies like ass so be super careful about that Mark J says might have to bite the $20 shipping to get some tiny Whooper Weeble Motors here in the

[00:47:47]   Philippines might be cheaper than replacing the BetaFPV Motors that's wild that the shafts are breaking completely off but I mean there's really nothing you can do about that when when

[00:47:56]   t-o originally sent me the Prototype 083s that was happening the shafts were breaking off and I that was the feedback I gave them I was like I I I can't really test these

[00:48:09]   much because they they keep breaking off at the shaft and I'm pretty sure that they fixed that for the production ones but there's not a there's not much you can do about that it's just

[00:48:23]    the motor the motors are too weak for how hard you're crashing you can start crashing into carpet and that'll fix the problem right but if you want to continue to fly how

[00:48:35]   you're flying in the locations that you're flying right you're going to have to find a motor that has a beefier shaft baby I have never had a HappyModel motor break a shaft off I've had them

[00:48:52]   bend the shafts for sure but the shafts break off like that's just total game over the shaft's bending like they'll bend a little bit a little bit more a little bit more a little bit more

[00:49:03]    but if they break off it's just total game over this thing is back together hold on well I have to plug this in I just spit everywhere I have to plug this into

[00:49:24]   BetaFlight to get the motor's spinning the right direction so no we're going to do this as a two-step process I was going to say so I might as well change the ESC settings on

[00:49:37]   it but oh wait a second I don't have any 400 MH batteries to fly are they literally all dead there is this one I'll fly this one just for the sake of flying a 75mm

[00:49:57]   rig we'll put this into BetaFlight get the motor spin in the right direction and then put it up I got one better for you we're going to just blast this at Full

[00:50:09]   Throttle and then we're going to blast this at Full Throttle and we'll see if we can get a quick comparison point of 30,000 KV versus 25,000 KV I'm going to blast this one first though because this

[00:50:22]   is on 25,000 KV so this will get the totally fresh battery this will not and then we're going to do all of our pwm and motor timing testing on 65mm rigs because those are all the

[00:50:34]   batteries that I've charged cool makes sense all right oh buddy every little bit of every like little Move I Make I could just kind of feel my neck slash back like no no no relax bro okay

[00:50:56]   trying to stay stationary come on beta flate why you take so long to launch sometimes why you take so long go faster come on what's up cmk how are you brother what are you working

[00:51:21]   on come on man stop bouncing start launching oh my God come on there it is okay come in here and here and we're going to give it some juice motor Direction understand the

[00:51:48]   risks the props are definitely off oh I was like wait none of the motors are spinning I I had to click once more how many times have I done that and it and it just completely melted my brain props

[00:52:08]   out one is wrong all right they're all going to be backwards is that right man I my brain is on pills boy I there are just simple things that I'm like wait

[00:52:28]   what oh for God's sakes this is the board that won't reverse the this is that's weird it's on 4.5 hold on this AIO is on 4.5 but then when I was telling it to reverse the motors it

[00:52:54]   wasn't maybe it was I feel like I'm drunk or something understand the risks wizard start and spin all right no it's props out click it's still props out what the

[00:53:17]   hell that bug was supposed to be in 4.3 only what's happening what in the what in the [@$#%] all right well not the end of the world disconnect it from here go into

[00:53:35]   the ESC configurator and we'll fix it in here if you have a quad that won't reverse the motors the way you need it to all you got to do is come in here and change this normal to reversed normal

[00:53:50]   to reversed reversed to normal I'm just going to change some settings in here because I trust Chris I'm going to Max these out too what the hell so we went to 15° motor timing I am going

[00:54:05]   to leave it on 48k though and everything else I'm leaving alone great settings all right now we'll be good oh this thing's acting weird this is not the one that went so

[00:54:29]   either well if I'm going to change the settings on one and then I'm going to compare the RPM between them I got to change the settings on both so let me change that motor timing on this other

[00:54:44]   one which will take just a second connect read and timing to 15 right settings and we're good okay cool all right so [@$#%] sticks I have different propellers on these

[00:55:10]   two this isn't going to be a great test but I'm just going to do it anyway real quick they have different props this has the the HQ YOLO

[00:55:28]   YOLO 1.6 buys whatever man let's just let's just do this real quick let's just do it real quick it's fine it's fine no it's not if I really want to I I'm going to end up pulling these props

[00:55:44]   anyway because I want to test these I do want to test these two rigs a little bit more in depth so I am going to pull the props eventually I would be pulling these anyway so let's just do it now

[00:55:54]   real quick come on man get off of there come on propeller there you go oh boy thank God for these prop poppers man if you don't have one of these yet what are you doing sitting

[00:56:17]   here get over to a website that sells them and get you one tiny whoop is the originator they have my favorite one which is the Clone prop popper the one that I'm using right

[00:56:27]   now but they also have the OG one which is totally fine and then Weeble has one now as well come on get in there we go okay these are my 1 mm props what did I have this

[00:56:54]   as props in I think sure sure we go all right in the chat where was I Walter says to I let you guys read that Focus for Life says do you think really bad batteries can make flight look like a

[00:57:25]   gyro is maybe since you're seeing the bobbling in the latest outdoor flights yes we talked about that at some point the the batteries don't they don't have the basically they're sagging so

[00:57:43]   hard that they're just not the response time just starts to suck because the batteries are sagging so bad and so that was that was one of my theories as to why the

[00:57:57]    the 1S WalkSnail rig was flying so bad but also but then I took a log and I sent it to Brand's baked beans and there were a bunch of problems in that log so now that the tune is is

[00:58:10]   corrected on this thing I got to retest it and I've just been I I don't I don't want I haven't flown because I don't want the neck strap and the transmitter pulling down on my neck so

[00:58:22]   I'm just I'm just trying to be patient and heal up here but I'm dying to do some more testing by the way so if you've been following along lately I've been try in in terms of the

[00:58:42]   batteries and them getting all messed up from these rigs that are discharging them in less than 2 minutes I've been trying to monitor that with the internal

[00:58:52]   resistances so what I what I what I've been doing is I got a fresh set of batteries from Tiny [@$#%] fresh set of 450s and I would fly it I I took the internal resistance and

[00:59:06]   then I flew it charged it back up took the internal resistance R I have another battery that's got a bunch of numbers written down fly it don't over discharge it just fly it normal charge

[00:59:17]   it look at the internal resistances B back and forth back and forth back and forth I've come to realize that and the reason I'm peeling this off is that the internal resistances are all

[00:59:30]   over the goddamn place I don't know if it's just my charger or what but if I CH like in the process of doing that I would charge the battery back up and sometimes it would give me an internal

[00:59:41]   resistance of like 120 other times it would give me like a 60 other times it would give me like an 80 and so I left a set of batteries on there and I charged them all the way up I looked at the

[00:59:51]   internal resistances typically after I had flown the B battery and run it all the way down to when I'm hovering towards the end of the battery I like for it to be 3.5 and I come in I

[01:00:03]   know that's a little conservative but I'm trying not to hammer these batteries when I charge them up from dead the internal resistance is would be very high at the end of the battery like

[01:00:14]   up in the hundreds well then when I would tell the charger to bring the batteries I would do six batteries at a time when I would tell the charger to bring them down to storage voltage and

[01:00:24]   then I would charge them back up the inter resistances would come down below 100 but then if I brought it back down to storage again did the same thing it's a total crapshoot sometimes they would

[01:00:37]   come back up into the hundreds sometimes they would still be in the 50s and the 60s and the 70s and so I had like these six batteries that I just did that a bunch of times I charged them and then I

[01:00:46]   discharged them down to storage charged them discharged them down to 3.5 charged them storage charged them storage charge them storage charge them discharge down the every single time the internal

[01:00:58]   resistances are wildly different so the the battery like durability testing that I've been trying to do is a waste of time can somebody else check me on that can can somebody else

[01:01:12]   that has a way of reading internal resistances of their tiny whoop batteries do that can you charge them up from dead write down the internal resistance bring it down to storage

[01:01:25]   charge it back back up right down the internal resistance it's really important to look at the internal resistance when it's fully charged because as it's charging the internal

[01:01:35]   resistance changes for some strange reason so you got to make sure you read the IRS at the same exact time and so it being fully charged is the best time to do that because it's fully

[01:01:47]   charged the thing just beeped right so if anybody has the ability to look at IRS on Tiny whoop batteries can you check me cuz maybe it's just my charger it's a nice isdt charger it's like a

[01:01:59]   $250 isdt charger I got on crazy special but from what I can tell the the internal resistances are just almost worthless it's almost a worthless measure maybe that's just a tiny whooop

[01:02:18]   battery thing cuz I I don't think I've seen it be so wildly all over the place on bigger batteries and on multicell batteries maybe it's just something about these tiny little cells I don't

[01:02:31]   know 0802 25,000 KV rig first and then 30,000 and all we're really looking at is the Max RPM I'm just going to hammer this thing across the room and then I'm going to pull this battery and

[01:02:45]   put it in the other rig and we're going to see what we can see in terms of the highest r PM recorded which should be in the postflight stats on both of these things I

[01:03:09]   hope you want to know how bad it is when when you do have PV full-time this is like my favorite lanyard strap ever it's got that like Old School Solo Cup design on it but it's

[01:03:23]   white and these these head straps get really dirty cuz you put them on your dirty hair you touch them with your dirty hands and so I'm trying not to ruin this I had a dream I had a dream

[01:03:37]   last night night before I don't know one of these nights this week that this got really dirty but then I cleaned it with a toothbrush and Dawn which I've done before with these B with these head

[01:03:48]   straps and then in the dream I was I was super excited because it was white again and it was no longer dirty I could be doing anything in my dreams but I'm

[01:04:08]   cleaning battery head straps this is my life now I remember being like I remember in the dream being like very disappointed that it got dirty and then it was like such a

[01:04:33]   Triumph that I I was able to clean it and it and it went it got white again it wasn't like sweaty yellow oh boy so I got that going for me unplugging the

[01:04:57]   hd60s plus all rightlet's get some Max RPM ratings these are both on the same Motors oh god oh it feels weird to fly man I'll do it upstairs it feels weird to fly I feel

[01:05:17]   like I'm flying drunk so that should have been a big enough blast but let's try one more all right that almost certainly was a big enough blast bring back down before I discharge

[01:05:32]   the battery too much all right 42,800 somebody type that in the chat please that is the 25,000 KV 802 all right and now we're going to put this same battery into the 30,000 KV rig and

[01:05:55]   so I'm handicapping the 30,000 KV rig a little bit because it's got the higher KV Motors to give the higher KV Motors the slightly fresher battery would like guarantee that it

[01:06:11]   pulled the higher RPM what I mean so I'm doing a little handicapp in here this is the rig that went swimming it really on a different module boy is that annoying

[01:06:27]   okay let's see come on give me the beep there's the beep all right let's get it right upstairs and I'm going to do that same Full Throttle Blast from over here this is the longest distance that oh God

[01:06:49]   no this is the longest distance that I can create here oh God it felt fast fter Jesus hell that prop wash holy [@$#%] let's see that's almost certainly going to be higher wow it's barely higher

[01:07:12]   43,000 42850 I'll be God damned hold on I mean that is on a slightly more discharge try that one more time man it is hard it's hard to do it and not smash into things let's let's see if that's

[01:07:41]   any higher it's actually lower the battery is sagging and it's and that that number is coming down wow okay I had previously thought that that I couldn't tell the difference

[01:08:07]   between 27 and 30,000 oh the battery fell out didn't it see it wobbling a little bit the battery is hanging out the bottom yep we got a dingleberry oh yes we do dingleberry

[01:08:34]   life all right that's what I wanted to check I mean on a slightly fresher battery sure the the high the higher KV Motors would have would have given me a little bit

[01:08:52]   more but I test a lot because what that test means is that the igal 802 27000 are what you need just run those and you're good to go cool or if you have if if if if you

[01:09:14]   can't get them and you have a set of 0802 25,000 floating around just just run those because they're completely fine as well fly the rest of the battery on this 25,000 KV rig

[01:09:32]   huh I was not expecting that oh oh let's do this let me do another Full Throttle blast on this rig and we'll see what so we're back to the 25,000 KV rig let's take a

[01:09:48]   look now the battery is like thoroughly discharged so this should be like 26 27,000 would be my guess but if this manages to pull 28 again then we've learned a bunch all let's

[01:10:06]   see Jesus all right let's just test that one 423 42,300 look at that and that's on an even more discharged battery so it really is starting to look like a like 25 to

[01:10:28]   27,000 is all the KV that you need for 1.6 inch by blades until until you increase the the stator size if we ran like a 902 or an 803 or something oh no

[01:10:56]   no no no no oh no I think I hear someone coming to help me yay thank you there he is there's the bad boy get it buddy it's a bigger one you it's just

[01:11:20]   eat oh that's the best one yet that's the best Teddy Chase yet oh where'd he go no where did he go he go back in here he did come on buddy you want to Let's hide it behind the corner we'll

[01:11:48]   see if he's like a cat oh God the batter's oh no no I'm so sorry battery oh God no no oh no no no no no okay is it close enough that I can just roll over to it's is all

[01:12:05]   right oh boy all right we were a little mean to that battery which sucks because it's a brand new battery but I don't think I was so mean to it that it'll be muffed up I'm going to put it directly

[01:12:17]   on the charger though oh no it's good it's good 3.6 no that's fine that's fine that's fine that's fine cool 3. six is okay so there you go that's I did not expect

[01:12:32]   that but I'm actually that that actually really makes me happy it makes me happy that we don't have to go bananas with KV on these 1.6 inch props if it's not going to turn I mean I

[01:12:45]   guess maybe I could take it out in the front yard and just sit's Full Throttle for even longer but the thing is the longer you sit's Full Throttle the more these batteries are

[01:12:58]   going to Sag so it like maybe but maybe not maybe flying it outside and leaving it Full Throttle for twice as long as I just did maybe it wouldn't get up to a higher RPM what I'm

[01:13:10]   saying it's going to have more incoming air sure because it's going to go faster and faster and faster but as it's going faster and faster the battery's going to Sag down so that is

[01:13:23]    that's pretty cool stuff stuff right there same battery previously when I done that test I did it with different batteries because the thought process was make sure it's a fully

[01:13:37]   charged battery but I've recently learned that my batteries have wildly different internal resistances and so I think the test that we just did is actually more accurate you you do a b a

[01:13:54]    and on that third test when the battery is at its weakest it's still pulling almost the exact same RPM right so I will redo that test for sure in the front yard where I

[01:14:08]   can just leave it Full Throttle for like a full second just all the way across the front yard but it's a pretty good one Tommy Newton's headphones just sorry brother sander thanks for the

[01:14:28]   subscription my friend welcome to the madness danilla tble says happy Friday night you're forgiven for being late Jason black says is it possible to get better filtering

[01:14:42]   maybe what's that mean I feel like I'm missing some context to that that that that sounds like we were having a conversation and then that question was related to the conversation but I don't

[01:14:57]   remember the conversation that we were having tell me more ask me that question again though I won't remember it because I'm about to I'm about to read a dozen more comments

[01:15:12]    Focus for Life says oh no no no no we talked about that Christopher conr says when that happens to me it's the quad think the board is not aligned

[01:15:28]   right what when when what happens to you Chris chromatius say and ask ask the question again chromatius says is 98 khz bad nope I recently saw a bunch of people [@$#%] on it after russer

[01:15:46]   posted his video but I'm not sure why nope nothing bad about it's just different you get more efficiency and more power but you sacrifice motor breaking so nothing bad about it pluses and minus to

[01:16:01]   everything notice says roster also I noticed this too roster also lowered the Power Protection on Blue J I don't understand why or what it accomplishes me either so I'm just leaving it

[01:16:16]   alone he I think he did mention it's desync related I'm not getting desyncs though so I don't care Cole power says bidirectional dshot enabled on all Motors yes I have

[01:16:29]   bir directional dshot on absolutely everything other than the BetaFPV stuff for some reason the BetaFPV stuff the B directional dshot doesn't work on right Tommy Newton says what's up what's up

[01:16:43]   homie he also said oh no headphones blew up Walter says you will fly juicy with all the op what's op what's what's the op Sergio Nez says have you ever done the elrs resistor thing on any of your quads

[01:17:02]   I'm doing as we speak on a Tron 80 I don't know what that is elrs resistor thing what's that I've have not heard of that Bora Bora says what do you think of lava batteries I'm thinking of

[01:17:14]   getting the 261's or should I stick to the 300s but I want to try the smaller ones worth it the lava batteries are great I've been playing around with the 260s lately first and foremost these folded cell

[01:17:31]   BT 2.0 batteries don't perform any different than any of the other folded cell BT 2.0 batteries so don't think that the lavas cuz they're newer are going to be any better than the tiny

[01:17:42]   whoops or the wee beds or the tattoos or any of them they're all either made in the same place or if they're not made in the same place they're they're they're incredibly similar so if

[01:17:56]   you're doing an order on a website and they have folded cell BT 2.0 batteries and you need some just get them doesn't matter whose they are doesn't matter what the sticker says on them that

[01:18:09]   being said I had tested so tiny whoop had folded cell BT 2.0 260s forever ago and I tested them on the high KV rigs that way back when I was flying a lot 32,000 36,000

[01:18:24]    and they sagged hard now we've got these Ultra lightweight rigs right 16 point something gr 17 point something gr that fly really well on the lower KV Motors 29,000 28,000

[01:18:41]   27,000 these are great for those the ultral light rigs with the lower KV Motors these 260s are good for if your rig is over 18 gram or your Motors are over 30,000 32,000 C I would not

[01:18:55]   recommend these but if you're going for a super super super lightweight setup I really do like these 260s I'm really impressed by them so there you go all right

[01:19:09]   so we are going to test senior rosers settings and to do that I'm going to use freestyle rigs so let's do two different sets of testing we'll do low KV and high KV I should have enough batteries

[01:19:31]   charged to oh I have enough so the low KV setup we're going to do is the ultimate Mobula 6 2024 ort micro antenna old school Mobula 6 canopy with RunCam nano3 HappyModel

[01:19:50]   0802 28,000 KV Motors GemFan 129s truck blades the motors are direct soldered because this is a version one Mobula 6 2024 and newbie drone brand new Lu newbie drone light AF frame this is now

[01:20:08]   the the relatively clear version of this Frame which should be the strongest and tell me that doesn't look hot as [@$#%] right there all white and clear with a little touch of red there's I almost did the

[01:20:24]   the the milky white props but these these HappyModel motors have a little bit of red on them so went with the red wee bed 1219 propellers because I

[01:20:40]   can and because if you're not going to fly good damn well better look good My Friends words to live by okay so these guys are on like the regular BetaFlight settings that I've always

[01:20:54]   sorry ESC settings that I've always run which is the default timing and 48 48k pwm hold on let me just think about this for a second because I want to test both I want to test the

[01:21:11]   timing and I want to test the the pwm and I'm thinking whether or not I should test them at the same time or separately I'm going to test them separately we're going to test them

[01:21:36]   separately so the timing we're g to we're going to fly the 36,000 KV rig first no let's test pwm frequency first no we're going to test this one that I just gave you the breakdown on and we're

[01:22:10]   going to change both things at once I'm going to change the timing and the pwm frequency because on the lower KV Motors I think it's going to be harder to tell the difference

[01:22:27]    okay so I'm going to fly this as is right now 21 point something timing and 48k pwm and then I'll change them both and then we'll retest it so it's the other module of course

[01:22:56]   come on come on there it is all right 48 kpwm with what the hell oh right transmitter is not on okay and it was the right module damn it there it

[01:23:45]   goes or not what the hell's going on little fella connect you bastard connect what the hell how many times are have come on hello Rock crawler's wife how are you there we go all

[01:24:28]   right oh my God oh my God oh my God pit Loop's a little overactive hold on Jesus Christ okay oh nope all right let's just back this wow it's why is why so

[01:24:46]   angry why so angry little friend oh [@$#%] oh [@$#%] oh [@$#%] oh my God I I I I feel very uncomfortable flying because of the pain drugs it I I really I I I legitimately feel like

[01:25:22]   drunk like my reaction ction times are not there I I I it almost makes me feel nauseous I almost feel a little bit nauseous oh God all right and I just noticed that I don't have

[01:25:41]   RPM turned on in the post flight stats and I kind of need to have that turned on so hold up hold up oh man that's weird man that is weird flying something so

[01:25:56]   quick sounds good Bora Bora enjoy them you will dig them oh okay wow interesting interesting what's going on B FL you going to connect or you going to be a jerk Gonna Be a Jerk

[01:26:30]   okay gonna be a jerk I see I see how it is I'll show you here we go okay OSD postflight statistics ESC RPM maximum there we go oh man these are all these are defaulted out hold on

[01:27:01]   let's fix speed maximum nope RSSI minimum that's kind of nice battery draw current maximum that's cool Mah used that's cool current battery voltage that's nice to have

[01:27:15]   battery voltage minimum that's nice to have blackbox number don't need that blackbox users don't need that ESC temperature maximum that's kind of cool and that's it that's what I

[01:27:29]   want all right good good good I always hit's TR twice I never I never trust it only once check something pt1 there it is let me see what let me see

[01:27:52]   what gyro this has I 270 okay so that's why it's being so grumpy it doesn't have quite enough filtering let me back this gyro slider off hold on actually I'm G to pull up

[01:28:16]   brin's baked beans's messages he had a super secret super secret gyro low pass setting for BMI Gyros I'm not doing the I'm not doing the full Bing

[01:28:35]   Bong but oh I also can take out these two extra harmonics so let's save that all right turn that one off jarro Lopez 2 we're going to put it at 135 with a pt2 too this will be

[01:28:55]   interesting I I'll be super interested to see if this is better or worse all right so there's that and then let me just check something in here get it is in here all right so we can do

[01:29:18]   we can do this other super secret thing past it in here this is going to change how the BMI Gyro's internal Hardware filter acts okay let's see if that's better or worse because man I do not have the pids

[01:29:41]   pushed very far and it was freaking out on a fully charged battery so there's something going on there let's see if this is this is not a fully charged battery but we're still going to learn

[01:29:55]   something here because I'm going to push the pids up I'm going to come in here and I'm going to give it more pit gains it was barely able to handle where it was

[01:30:11]   at nope that's it oscillating look look at the thrott zero throttle zero throttle oh boy so I made it worse I would need to put this thing on to 3.5 I think in order for it to

[01:30:29]    to work with Brandon setup let's do it we'll do it real quick we'll put it up on 3.5 and then we'll do Brandon's filtering setup and we'll see what happens here

[01:30:48]   so plugging in here's how you update your [@$#%] don't update your [@$#%] andless un you have a reason to but Auto detect crazy B 4.5.1 load forw

[01:31:08]   online flash firmware it gives the warning do you want to create a backup I do indeed hit yes save it to the hardraw save it to the desktop rather there it is and now

[01:31:22]   it's going to update this will be this will be really cool there are I didn't do Brandon's full setup but I did some of it and this will be kind of neat to

[01:31:38]   see if this changes things although it looks like it hung let me turn off the transmitter maybe that's caus some problems oh boy nope oh balls all right

[01:32:05]   well hopefully nothing bad just happen Walter says why are you not used to something hold on let's check this backup file this saved in a very strange way it like doubled everything up that's

[01:32:34]   weird oh God what's Happening Here is it too hot what's going on Mobula 6 2024 What's your deal all right autod detect is now working great load for on online great flash firmware ignore the

[01:33:00]   risk racing come on little friend yay there it is come on man I shouldn't have done this this is stupid I should have just left it the hell alone but I didn't and we're in it now

[01:33:34]   there we go all right programming successful we've got that backup file so what we can do is connect fine presets load backup point it at the file open away it goes all that file is is a big old CLI

[01:33:52]   diff and then all this is doing is dumping that into the CLI and hitting save so here are some of the errors so you're looking for red text oh

[01:34:07]   [@$#%] it's got resource errors oh God I might have just Breck this damn thing oh no look at all this [@$#%] well this will be interesting mag Hardware that's fine barometer

[01:34:29]   Hardware that's fine all right well let's see I mean I might need to get a diff file from HappyModel for this but let's just let's just take a look let's make sure that the accelerometer is

[01:34:50]   calibrated pretty decently yep that's good that is probably not supposed to be checked but I am just going to leave it all right so for presets we're going to do

[01:35:13]   clean clean with RPM filtering click this pick it save and reboot this is like the generic filter setup that Brandon does for BMI 270 Rigs of which this is one pit tuning is it's

[01:35:35]   it's cranked again which is fine all right so we're going to turn this off jarro Lopez 2 at 135 we want it to be a pt2 filter let's save that and take this down to one harmonic for

[01:35:58]   the RPM filtering and then I need to do the set gyro Hardware low pass filter all right this will be super interesting a if it flies B if it doesn't fly away I did I did bump the

[01:36:16]   pids up so if it flies away then this filtering setup is not as good as our previous and it did remember those OSD settings okay cool all right let's here goes

[01:36:38]   nothing so either way this this there's some cool things that we can learn here first and foremost is 3 point BetaFlight 0.5 that much different than.

[01:36:58]   3 0 four rather I'm not totally convinced that this thing is going to fly though I have a feeling there might be some resource problems see it one arm [@$#%]

[01:37:24]   oh hell all right well I have that backup I can just dump that backup in I can backdate the the version and dump that backup in but let's do this instead let's take a look at what the arming disabled flags

[01:37:49]   are put a battery in okay okay dshot nope that one's now gone receiver fail safe oh I might need to bind it again do I need to I think I just need to bind it again okay bind

[01:38:11]   receiver and find mode press to send binder request okay well wait's not all right so the next problem I think is in ports save this ports I

[01:38:39]   believe that should be turned off let's see nope let's just try the different arts for it I don't know what the Mobula 6 2024 I don't know if the elrs is serial or not why is this display port what the

[01:39:21]   hell this shouldn't be on either should it that shouldn't be on let's try that this is why you don't update that was it next question is are the is the all right we're

[01:39:49]   good I can't think of what it's called btx Telemetry what the hell it's called I think it's good now though thank you Justin Bates it's serial not

[01:40:00]   SPI we got there we got there thank you Zoe as well okay all right so let's see if the tune is happier or sad at Arms oh what wny but why it must have forgotten the

[01:40:28]    motor spins in right direction settings also I do I do not have OSD don't update your [@$#%] friends if it flies okay don't update it just just fly it just fly

[01:40:47]   it anything with BetaFlight 4.2 and later it probably F flies totally fine flies Floy flying don't update it OSD is turned on oh I know what the problem's going to be it's going to be

[01:41:01]   on HD isn't it why does it nope it's on ntsc oh no that's weird where the hell is the OSD what the hell where are all my modes this is all jacked upHorizon mode is all the way up wow

[01:41:33]   this is weird man it's didn't back up wow there's lots of stuff that it didn't back up that's super strange crash beer mute it didn't back this up weird

[01:41:58]   weird camera control black bletry OSD disable all right save that this is still here why the hell why the hell did I not have OSD does it have OSD now no it still doesn't have it what the hell's going on

[01:42:39]    okay this makes no sense oh right well hang on OSD is on D profile too what the hell it's not a pal camera I know I know that for a fact and now this config MSP has turned

[01:43:39]   itself back on I didn't think that was supposed to be on but I mean this has nothing to do with the OSD and it does arm so I mean like this is fine I I don't think this should be

[01:43:49]   here oh this is why MSP plus display port why would it why would it do that I need to be on smart audio but I I still think it's on the wrong still think it's on the wrong

[01:44:11]   one turn it off and on again come on man why is it there it goes okay let's put a battery in and see what happens hold on I believe that that fixs that fixed it oh then now one arm

[01:45:10]   again what the [@$#%] is happening feler tried to tell you guys updating breaks your [@$#%] nobody listens what the [@$#%] wny is it doing this it's just randomly turning [@$#%] off

[01:45:52]   and on okay and this is infuriating here we are again yet again we don't have OSD power it down power it back up reconnect so help me God if the ports are all screwed up again no okay now

[01:46:23]   we're good all right so that's fine let's go into device ready no okay so well hold on let me feed it actual voltage just to be sure all right so the device ready saying false means that smart audio

[01:46:43]   is not working so it's either on the wrong art or I don't want TBS smart audio I want [@$#%] smart audio so let's reboot it with [@$#%] smart audio pull

[01:47:00]   power reconnect okay connected BetaFlight check here no OSD not great check the ports tab again because it likes to just change itself for no reason that's fine video

[01:47:16]   transmitter device ready false put power to it just in case no is it's using the same uart for for smart audio and elrs I didn't think it could do that oh but now it wipes everything

[01:47:52]   out again what the [@$#%] oh my god oh it is MSP so he says who's got a look at that dead stiff says Bob 6 2024 has video and receiver on the same you boy is that

[01:48:21]   weird but then what it's keeps [@$#%] deleting it stop deleting it you jackass somebody that has one of these can you check what these settings are I need to know what this what

[01:48:38]   this is oh now it can't even find the come on man why does it keep turning this off what the what the hell General Discord thank you General all right let's

[01:49:31]   see MSP serial RX plus display Point this is what it was set up with originally and it didn't work right like that's the way it was set and nothing was working it wouldn't

[01:49:50]   arm it wouldn't do anything let me come in here see now it's false oh my God oh my God why and then let's check receiver all right so we're good to go on the receiver but the video transfer

[01:50:11]   is not up let's put power to it and just see if that changes anything no nod btx Telemetry not working pull power and restart it all the way somebody messaged me and said

[01:50:37]   that there are 2g4 boards in stock you guys have probably already talked about it in chat I don't remember what website I'm all drugged up okay that's good

[01:50:55]   maybe we have OSD we've got that feel like we still don't have an O OSD though nope still don't have OSD why do we still not have OSD aux 2 full range OSD profile

[01:51:20]   selection aux 2 correct davs says need to type command for OSD and CLI what does that mean let's just put power to it no no ST what the

[01:51:59]   hell okay I didn't think this was going to become a troubleshooting stream but here we are Le is on I guess let me try pal but I know for a fact that these RunCam n3s are not

[01:52:33]   pal but we'll try it anyway because I'm all out of ideas dude what the [@$#%] now that can't be it burun this is the same OSD profile I've been using for no that's not it this is the same

[01:53:12]   OSD I've always used it's not just going to like magically changed unfortunately what the [@$#%] okay is this house is this somehow like accident turned on or something what the

[01:53:55]    f I just checked the I've checked the adjustments tab a couple of times what I'm out of ideas I guess maybe let me try turning this off maybe this is broken maybe the

[01:54:37]   adjustments thing is broken I guess that doesn't make any sense but OSD profile one put it back to ntsc okay try that I guess oh my God what the [@$#%]

[01:55:12]   dude what the hell so apparent L in5 OSD is broken what that but looks like there's a bunch of people that are dealing with the same issue that's great okay I

[01:55:57]   I don't understand oh man this is the last thing I want to be dealing with when I'm all whacked out on pain meds cuz the problem could be like right in front of me but I'm just

[01:56:11]   not thinking of it let me do this put something dead center save that disconnect all right so there's now un OSD element absolutely dead center come on man what the

[01:56:47]   hell so that's not it wow I guess I'm G to have to go back to 4.4 I I I need the OSD I mean specifically for the specifically for this testing that we're trying to do oh my God this is

[01:57:20]   brutal and I have [@$#%] in all four corners I have [@$#%] in all four corners so if if it was just shifted off to the side it would it would tell

[01:57:37]   me let me try this just as a as a weird Hunch what if for some weird reason it wants the HD OSD now I'm pretty sure that's not it but it's worth a

[01:58:05]   try oh my God it's 9 o'clock already go get some B grinder friends this is I'm going to keep going because we still haven't done anything that I said we were going to do

[01:58:18]   but the [@$#%] man oh my God and the motors are all wrong too oh this is that this is those resource problems this is because of those weird resource problems that has to be it that red

[01:58:48]   text that we saw those problems with the resources that's what's causing this that's what's causing this I don't know a fix for that I'm

[01:59:09]   guessing the fix would be to not use a diff and to set this up from scratch wow what was it on it was on 4.4.0 and here's all these resources

[01:59:52]   I'm just going to go back to 4.4.0 [@$#%] it four I I I could probably at least go to no no I'll go back to 4.4.0 it's fine all right ignore the risk for sure I

[02:00:11]   don't want to overwrite it perfectly the back up wow man that's ridiculous and that might not even fix the problem to be honest with you doing it might not fix the

[02:00:33]   problem and now it's acting up again okay man we put up with some [@$#%] to be able to fly these things good God now it won't find the [@$#%]

[02:01:04]   AO oh boy this is something else Auto detect 4.4.0 load firmware flash firmware ignore oh I won't go into dfu mode now oh so I now need to find a button on this that puts it into dfu

[02:01:57]   mode and if it doesn't have one I don't know what I'm going to do doesn't look like there's any button on top it doesn't look like there's one on the bottom either

[02:02:25]   great so I guess I'll change the title of the stream to how to brick a Mobula 6 2024 because without a button there's nothing I can do so

[02:02:51]   BetaFlight point. five apparently bricks these things unless you're okay with not having OSD which I'm not let's try one more time all right quad's coming up Auto detect good that's the right

[02:03:13]   one 4.4.0 load firmware online flash firmware ignore the risk there it goes that was scary Jesus that's interesting dead stiff says HappyModel did some weird stuff with

[02:03:38]   video on the 2024 it's probably why they the reason they released it on Old firmware interesting well that's fine it'll fly fine I'll just have to go back h I'll try the I'll try Brandon's filtering

[02:03:55]   profile one more time all right there we go back in business sure apply all the custom defaults you want I'm just going to overwrite them all connect close Jesus man come on

[02:04:35]   all right oh boy just hyperventilated a little bit now I feel full-blown drunk okay presets load back up here it is open it okay see this is why is it still coming up with

[02:05:10]   errors oh dude what come on oh bro bro why is it why does it have errors I'm flashing it on the same version oh man okay I guess I'm going to need to get a diff from HappyModel for

[02:06:10]   it oh my God what a pain in the ass oh man this sucks this is bad dude dude [@$#%] let's see tell me here we go here we go here we go go here here here here here here Factory

[02:06:56]   firmware 442 dump file no we're just going to do this because this is a hex one's B one is my CM this sucks cuz I'm going to lose no I guess not necessarily I I won't necessarily

[02:07:24]   lose stuff but I'm going to have to go through it line by line wait no I want to go in here load firmware local downloads oh it's a zip file I need to that okay BetaFlight hacks

[02:07:58]    whatever there it is okay so we'll go up to 4.4.2 flash ignore the risk because it's broken anyway now I did save a backup denilla but the backup isn't working the the

[02:08:15]   backup is is screwing up the resources Ty tuned to the screwdriver C power says all right come on come on made fight you really that much oh my God I feel horrible wow I can't believe this what this

[02:08:43]   just turned into okay [@$#%] so now it is completely wiped out like as it comes out of the box and so now what I can do is go into this backup file leave all this resource [@$#%] alone

[02:09:14]   don't touch any of this scroll down so the stuff with set in front of it see none of this stuff says set here but there's a bunch of stuff down here that says that's got set in front of it

[02:09:29]   so I can copy all that I didn't realize that the backup file does that that's pretty cool copy all that oh my god really you're going to scroll this slow I'm G to light you on fire your time has

[02:09:45]   come please all right there we go so grab all that [@$#%] it copy it into the clipboard I've actually never done this hopefully this works paste it all into the there we

[02:10:00]   go good good good no red text no red text no red text no ammies no ammies no ammies no ammies no ammies no ammies save it and now we should be completely back to where we started

[02:10:22]   unplug it and replug it what the hell there it is wow that took forever there we go okay so here's what I should have done in the first place clean clean build

[02:10:47]   with RPM filtering pick save and reboot all right the gangly fan is like right there but I'm trying to not bend over if at all possible all right so now it's got that clean filter [@$#%] on it let's turn

[02:11:12]   this off low pass two at 135 like Brandon says pt2 okay harmonics done to one Dynamic Notch filters disabled why don't be disabled 800 okay and we got this gyro Hardware filter

[02:11:44]   thing that we want to do in the CLI all right so this is this is Brandon's BetaFlight 4.5 settings but on 4.4 this might not work but it's worth a shot this is what I should have done in the first place

[02:12:02]   all right so we're fine now let's put a battery on it and watch it fly away and then I'll have to put it back the way that it was originally before we did any of this

[02:12:15]   stuff holy Nikes it's unbelievable how things can degenerate into madness come on now what the hell why won't now wanton arm again no come

[02:12:58]   on wny are you doing me like this why are you being so mean Mobula 6 2024 why are you being so slow to go in there check the motors tab oh my my

[02:13:23]   god oh this is bad bro this is all bad it's all bad it's all bad look at it's all [@$#%] up in the game here this is all messed up oh my God oh my God

[02:13:52]   oh my God why what is this about now oh man it's all [@$#%] up in the game it is all [@$#%] up in the game why is it what what is this gyro SL1 no gyro what the heck

[02:14:24]   hell oh boy all right there are two files let's try the other one let's try 440 dump file no not Factory firmware I bet you that's the problem my

[02:14:40]   God what an absolute nightmare what an absolute nightmare all right well maybe 4 maybe this 442 one is for the V2 this is the V1 that I've got here all right let's try it

[02:15:36]   again come on you bastard I can't even get the USB plugged in I feel like [@$#%] oh I feel like crap I am es Co why is it not going oh my God why you got to do it why you got to be like this why you got to

[02:16:25]   be like this why let's quit out again oh oh why load local 4.4.0 flash firmware ignore the risk go please go oh no why are you doing this don't do this unless you need to do this

[02:17:23]   oh please work no you should need to go online it's a local file you jerk update oh wow now I can't even see the the board to Auto detect mhm mhm mhm mhm

[02:18:21]    mhm nope not working okay this rig gets put aside we're going to fly the 36,000 KV rig and make the changes and see if anything happens I am super sorry my

[02:18:53]   friends but I am at the end of my patience and so I'm just going to do this I'm going to change the settings going to see if there's a noticeable difference and then I'm going to click

[02:19:10]   the stop streaming button and I'm going to go and lay down because I feel horrible ready current settings are the slightly higher timing and 48k

[02:19:32]   pwm oh boy what a disaster why is why did the fan just stop running on the laptop that's asleep is it not I don't even care sit there and run your fan until you melt into the

[02:20:02]   ground laptop go right ahead wrong module of course as an extra little kick in the jimmies Walter says see a hairdresser screw you I'll do what I want oh God there's

[02:20:33]   stops no no no no no no oh my God oh God no oh fart the problem with doing this right now oh God problem with doing this right now is I am

[02:21:10]   like I am as as dull as a butter knife so short of like doing runtime testing like there's my pills there's my pills all right here's what we're going to

[02:21:45]   do we're going to do the Full Throttle tests that's what we're going to do we've got RPM in the in the in the postflight stats so I'm going to take this battery I'm going to go

[02:22:04]   upstairs I'm going to blast it across the room we're going to look at the RPM all right somebody typed this into chat 5486 I'm going to do it one more time 54 816 ready do it once

[02:22:25]   more wow okay that is absolutely as much as I could possibly do it 55,000 all right so just type 55,000 into the chat 55,000 I'm going to have to do it again I'm down here it's fine thank you

[02:23:06]   though stop it Teddy stop it stop it Teddy back off not in the mood for your shenanigans I just hammered the battery so hard whatever okay now we're going to make those

[02:23:33]   changes we'll see maybe it'll be okay okay connect read settings H oh transmitter's on all right timing down to 15 let's write that and

[02:24:15]   then blue j.6 I'm looking for the 96k this is 08 5 oh5 l m n o H5 96 okay come back in here flash all esc's local firmware downloads oh5 996 all right normal normal normal

[02:24:52]   normal the battery that I just ran is right here right here I'm going to put this battery on the charger for a split second just to give it a little bit more jam oh

[02:25:11]   boy nice coal I know I missed I know I missed CH chck I can't even [@$#%] talk now holy [@$#%] I know I miss chat comments this is what it's like when I'm drunk I guess I

[02:25:26]   don't know I can't remember the last time I was drunk I know I missed chat comments just ask me later it's JS s flash loal rather than getting it through the tool because

[02:25:43]   in here they will not get the older blue jay version .16 that I have the best luck with the newer versions of blue jay don't work as well as 0.16 for me blue J 0.16 is the last version of Blue Jay

[02:25:59]   that the original designer did before he left and on certain aios the newer versions of blue jay will actually desync all over the place so I've moved everything to

[02:26:12]   0.16 which you can find at the at the link that I just went to and it's seem and it either makes no difference or it stops desyncing so I just put everything on 0.16 at

[02:26:27]   this at this point all right here we go I didn't get I didn't get hardly any power put back into what I'm trying to say maybe you don't from the charger

[02:26:49]   whatever here we go that was kind of a weak one hold on no no no you did anybody happen to see the RPM the first time I disarmed it I think it's up inside of a lamp I might not

[02:27:16]   even be able to get the [@$#%] thing down oh man man I I think I'm going to have to get the ladder out hold on it was in the lamp but there's a stool right there I was just tall enough to get up into it

[02:28:20]   one motor is having a hard time when I take off that it didn't do that before I don't remember all right let's see what that did 51 man I'm

[02:28:39]   exhausted 53 Earth rocker says 53 what was it before I don't know I don't know oh man has anybody been following along in chat enough to know what we just did I'm

[02:29:04]   just oh no that's behind the TV I'm done I hope you learned something CU I didn't I love you guys we'll we'll revisit this when I'm not high on drugs I'm not high on prescription pain

[02:29:24]   pills I love you guys thanks for bearing with me I'm so [Laughter] sorry wow what a nightmare what a [@$#%] disaster I'm so if this is your first time coming to these streams I

[02:29:46]   swear to God it's not always this bad sometimes it is but I love you guys bye holy Christ I'm not ready I don't know what to put on put this on they I don't know what this is maybe it's good

[02:29:59]   maybe it's bad I got to get that quad from behind the TV here you go this is me flying n a