[00:02:23]   hey friends I'm Aaron Ciotti everybody calls me Ciotti welcome to Sunday I'm disappointed with 75mm s in general that flight footage was the patreon only edit that we started

[00:02:39]   Friday and it's done the the so this the beginning of the song is like super lowii the intro to the song is very lowii and that works super well with by the way I did this just for fun and

[00:02:56]   then and that works really well with the the camcorder footage but then the song kind of cleans up when it jumps into the into the verse and I was kind of want as I did more and

[00:03:10]   more of the edit after the stream Friday night I was I I I I was just wondering what it would look like if we got out of the the lowquality footage and snapped to the WalkSnail

[00:03:26]   footage that I shot at that same that I that I flew on Thursday as well and it's cool it's interesting you guys can take a look for yourselves over on the patreon which is linked on

[00:03:36]   cfpv Doom for as little as three bucks a month that's 10 cents a day or 7 and a half cents per hour of live streaming content that I do here you could take a look at that and then the regular

[00:03:49]   edit I decided against it and the regular edit is going to go up Tuesday maybe tomorrow tomorrow definitely not today maybe today I should put it up on Tuesday because there's no live stream on

[00:04:08]   Tuesday but I'm antsy to put it up so whatever so that's that that's what you were just watching at the beginning there with the wrong music and a little bit

[00:04:21]   rough so join the patreon to support me so that we can keep this thing going here this is a totally crowdfunded thing that way when I review stuff there's no like well was he sent this

[00:04:35]   by soand so and they expected a good review and plus it's just cool it's cool to have a little NPR thing going ER YouTube is not receiving enough video well you better figure that

[00:04:48]   out YouTube because OBS is sending you all the video what else we doing today six batteries and Q&A as all of these live streams are any questions that you've got ask them in the chat put SE FPV

[00:05:04]   somewhere in your question so that it lights up in Orange for me you can put an at in front of it but you don't have to OG folks or just people that are paying attention in general if you see

[00:05:14]   somebody else ask a good question but forget to tag me do me a favor copy it paste it tag them and tag me and let's talk about it tiny whoop open is on and it is absolutely insane the

[00:05:28]   production quality the announcing from Jesse the track that they're running the the caliber of the pilots it's all insane absolutely ridiculous I'm so shocked at

[00:05:43]   at how good the the the live broadcast is now that I've been in like the live broadcast World a bunch with all these cycling races I know how hard it is and they're they're just

[00:05:57]   doing an unbelievable job does anybody absolutely love this shirt and if so are you a size large my dad got me this shirt for my birthday but it's a large and so I'm

[00:06:14]   wearing it right now to see if any of you guys love it so much that you'd be willing to buy it but the deal is you have to buy this shirt I'll figure out where he got it from you have to buy

[00:06:24]   this shirt in medium and have it shipped to me and then I'll ship you this one so I'm only wearing it this one time so that you guys can see it and hopefully somebody loves it so much that we can

[00:06:37]   swap so there's that Matt Norton was first Michael kajas was next wake and bake Bob Bruce crom Douglas otwell hockey rounds slow cow raging leite David 4f Apache smoke wed

[00:06:50]   sniper ch3 FPV Timmons Apache smoke wounded sniper fre lojo Cisco Anonymous [@$#%] sorry guys you probably haven't been able to hear me properly I'm going to put the microphone

[00:07:04]   back over here I can't I I'm just going to keep forgetting to pull this microphone out and with how much I I kind of move around my voice is going to get loud when I'm closer to it it's

[00:07:14]   going to get quiet when I'm farther away from it and I'm moving up here and I'm moving over here and it's going to be all over the damn place Anonymous cisal Gusto

[00:07:27]   micro micro PP polish soundscape ch3 tongueout prop junkie parkour guy kilo zebra D cabaca YouTube just did the thing Peter Clark prop junkie medy 79 Max melner Sky High Charlie

[00:07:47]   Chuck Damon Alexander Lewis Hughes Cole Powers sebb D prop junkie again proton to go what's up brother how you been haven't seen you in a while sebd coold power Sky Charlie ailles I think I

[00:08:01]   got everybody what's up friends again if you want to talk to me type cot FPV if you want to talk to somebody else get their attention type their name spell it right it'll light up an orange for them

[00:08:10]   Bob Bruce says what's up everyone in C FPV I still love the 30 thou 33,000 KV motors with the igal bells but I don't need but I don't need super crazy power that's okay someday if you

[00:08:23]   need the super crazy power it's there for you for now it sounds like you want to just motor limit's down which is perfect Apache smoke cyers says hello gangly gang how's everybody doing

[00:08:36]   this Sunday ch3 FPV says tons of stuff to see today multigp and Tiny whoop live races the multigp is on as well all kinds of stuff being streamed and there was no Joshua

[00:08:49]   Bardwell I think he's out doing doing things again ch3 FPV says so I guess with WalkSnail you're gonna start a 2S whoop testing from scratch that would be some amazing content for sure I

[00:09:03]   don't know I really don't the 2S thing the weight just goes completely insane and the as as like durable as I've been told the Mobula 7 V3 frame is I don't know it's just I don't want tiny

[00:09:28]   whoops to that heavy why does this why do everything look crooked over here what is happening is this real life is that it sure why not I don't know about the 2S thing the other problem

[00:09:48]   with 2S is trying to find an AO like there aren't any so I I I I don't know of any I mean like there's sort of the X12 but then that's got the VTX on board and it's an oversized a so it's not going to

[00:10:09]   fit in hardly any frames although it actually doesn't matter we we there's only the one frame that we want to try on 2S which is the which is the Mobula 7

[00:10:25]   V3 I have one of those frames right here I just bought it and so let's see will the will the X12 I really don't want to use the X12 though comparing the the V3 to the V4

[00:10:50]   frame I bet you the X12 would fit in here but I don't think the X12 is the right is the right aiio it's tough like what's what's what's the AO it's needs to have elrs

[00:11:06]   built in but no VTX and it needs to be durable I don't know of any I don't I don't know of any aios that's not true I think newbie Jordan has

[00:11:22]   one but with 2S the the the battery is going to be extremely heavy and motor selection will be a lot easier we can get like 14,000 KV RC and power I already have a set for one of the tiny

[00:11:46]   lifters we can go like 14,000 KV and then on 2S that's the equivalent of 28,000 KV so we we'll finally have enough KV for the for the 1.6 inch by blades but

[00:12:00]    the weight is just going to go nutso and one of the things that we're going to talk about today is that I'm starting to beat the hell out of these motors already because

[00:12:10]   of how heavy 75 is even the 1 and a half millimeter motor shafts are starting to bend and so going to 2S is going to make that so much worse cuz the battery weight is going to go

[00:12:23]   nutso and so about a month ago maybe two months ago I'd said that the the additional weight of WalkSnail basically turns a tiny whoop into a cow whoop and it's just not going to

[00:12:47]   Freestyle and then I ignored myself and spent tons of time trying to force that to happen and I'm kind of back where I started where it's just for for

[00:13:06]   proper free style it has to be durable it just does you're you're not going to fly it hard if it's not durable at least I'm not I I don't have the time or the patience or the money to fix

[00:13:20]   something after every single time I fly it and so durability is really important if you have the patience for that then then man you're going to be able to Freestyle anything because

[00:13:32]   you can always build a glass Cannon and it'll fly great but I don't I I I I just I just don't have it in me to fix stuff after every single time I fly it and so [@$#%] needs to be durable

[00:13:49]   and I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I just don't know the other thing that I think is g to happen is that if we if if there is I'm

[00:14:10]   sure there is I just can't think of it at the moment but if there is a 2S compatible AIO with elrs on board and no VTX that's durable sending it to S is probably going to make it not durable because

[00:14:30]   though the whenever an AO is like 1S or 2S to me it's 1S and if you run it on 2S sure you'll get a couple batteries out of it but then it'll catch on fire and burn your house down I would love

[00:14:44]   to be proven wrong and I'm probably willing to be proven wrong like I'm probably going to go down this Rabbit Hole because the BetaFPV BT 3.0 batteries are a lot lighter than the old

[00:14:56]   school 2S batteries they're still heavy but I'm probably dumb enough to keep smashing my head into this and I believe the WalkSnail light will take 2S right it's not 1 s

[00:15:19]   only let's see where's your voltage range little guy 3. 1 to 13 volts so but we're going to talk more about it let me let me get caught up on chat and then we'll we'll dive back

[00:15:44]   into these we'll take a look at some footage and we'll talk about why I'm so disappointed and why I'm such a goddamn baby now we won't talk about that I keep that a secret we're also going to fly

[00:15:59]   six batteries you guys probably can't hear me hang on hang on hang on just wait's gonna be okay I also need to get this going there we go all right I need to get some batteries on this charger we're

[00:16:36]   going to fly six 65mm batteries to renew my hope in tiny whoops I'm I man there's one more motor that I'm looking forward to trying but it's a motor with a 1 mm motor shaft

[00:16:56]   and so even if it has enough power on 1S for these WalkSnail rigs I just I I don't I don't see us being able to use it because it's just going to grenade motor shafts all over the all over the

[00:17:12]   place but it'll be nice to it'll be nice to see if that motor size is the key that motor size being 0803 and then moving forward we can bug as many people as possible to

[00:17:34]   to produce a 1 and a half mil motor shaft version of that motor and then we'll maybe we'll be able to have a freestyle 1S 75mm tiny whoop that doesn't suck because right

[00:17:49]   now it's just not it's not good enough and that's not me being completely insane I am completely insane but freestyle requires power you you it just you can't freestyle with like cine whoop

[00:18:10]   amounts of power not proper freestyle at least and where we're at right now and we're just not there we're just not there so that's the situation my friends

[00:18:31]   what say you parkour guy says hello he also says would it be stupid to run the RC in Power 102 on 2S on a Mobula 8 motor limit maybe you would really need to get the lower KV RC and Power 102 they make

[00:18:51]   a 14,000 KV that's what you would need to do and I think you would also need to motor limit's the 22,000 KV would be way too high you would need to motor limit that down to like 40% and you

[00:19:04]   don't want to motor limit that low apparently that's too big of a motor limit according to electrical engineers on Facebook take that for what it's

[00:19:17]   worth so because of Mobula 8 you're now going up to a 2in prop so 22,000 KV would would be too much even on 1 s or it might be corre it might be just right on 1 s but then you're doubling it with

[00:19:31]   2s so that'd be tough parkour guy says do you conformal coat your aios since they're so hard to come by I don't I've never conformal coated anything I've put tons of stuff into freshwater and they've all

[00:19:49]   been fine I've yet to lose any electronics and I've put stuff in dog bowls and lakes at least a dozen times probably closer to 20 or 30 times and as long as you get them out of

[00:20:03]   there as quick as you can and put them in front of a fan for 24 hours and don't plug them in that's the key let it dry before you plug it back in they're totally fine I mean it's would

[00:20:15]   be kind of cool to be able to like fly in the rain but I don't know I don't necessarily want all that the the motors have bearings in them and I don't want all that moisture

[00:20:30]   getting into the bearings and stuff and then it's conformal coded it's fine like I'll be less likely to put it in front of a fan for 24 hours and I mean it's just not good

[00:20:40]    so I I have not conformal coded anything I do now have conformal coding but I just I have not put it on anything yet I will at some point at some point I'll build I I

[00:20:55]   should do the I should should do the new live flying chasing rig with conformal actually I'm going to leave it out to remind myself to do that to do that rig because like if it starts

[00:21:09]   raining while I'm chasing the cyclists or whatever it would be nice to stay up in the air the the main problem is that once water gets on the lens it's really hard to fly because it's hard to

[00:21:21]   see and then they're not going to take my camera if it's all blurry with water all over it there's stuff you can try like Raina and [@$#%] to get the water beating

[00:21:33]   off but it hasn't been a high a very high priority for me Damon says CiottiFPV in the house indeed YouTube just did the thing scrolling back up Co power says I never noticed a

[00:21:48]   difference with the mic position well that's good that means it's not too bad Bron NE go says what's up parkour guy says I missed this if you answered this but when looking to swap motor stator

[00:22:01]   and bells what dimension and measurements do I have to look for in compatibility how about 802 ex with regular Bell realistically parkour guy you need to stay within the same

[00:22:17]   manufacturer there's a chance that between manufacturers the the the it'll line up and kind of work but I just I doubt it I I I I doubt that they're going to use the the really tough spec

[00:22:33]   that I think you're going to that I think is going to bite you in the ass if you were to try going between manufacturers is if this is the Stater where does the Bell sit like how

[00:22:44]   tall is the top bearing on or bushing on the Stater and then where is the point on the motor shaft that it rides on that bearing or bushing because if your magnets if this is the Stater poles here

[00:22:59]   if your magnets don't perfectly line up with those Stater poles it's not going to make great power if it's sitting up or down a little bit too high you're going to take a huge hit in power

[00:23:10]   so realistically mixing Bells with sters stay within the same man motor manufacturer and then just kind of cross your fingers basically we we we got away with it's appears on the the

[00:23:27]   HappyModel 80 twos because it's just it doesn't make sense for HappyModel to change the Stater design on any of these motors right they've got motors with three different

[00:23:45]   Bells let's just talk about their 802s they've got 802s with the onesie Bell design it looks like this it's got the sharp edges and it's a it's a one piece Bell this is their heaviest is the

[00:24:01]   onesie design and then they've got motors with the ex or as Tiny whoop calls it hex motor Bell design with the rounded edges here still onepiece Bell but rounded edges

[00:24:16]   technically they have the onesie design but as a two-piece Bell it's the same dimensions and then HappyModel also has the RS 0802 20,000 KV that's the motor that ships with the Mobula 7 V4

[00:24:32]   well Mobula 7 1S let's call it elrs 1S on those three motors like it just it doesn't make sense that they would change the Stater they're not making a taller or a shorter motor

[00:24:46]   they're just they're just changing the Bell so I'll I'll bet you at the factory there and it from the from the swapping that we've done so far it seems to answer this for us

[00:25:01]   at the factory they're just cranking out all the same Staters and then they're making the three different Bell types and then just plopping the Bells on the Staters that would make the most sense

[00:25:12]    the answer to your question though is you have to make sure that the motor shaft diameter is exactly the same otherwise it won't go down through the bushings or the bearings into the Stater

[00:25:27]    you got to make make sure that the length of the motor shaft is the same otherwise the the the the motor Bell will be able to move up and down too much you need to make sure that the

[00:25:40]   the indentation for the C clip on the bottom is in the right spot and also you got to make sure like we were talking about a minute ago that the the top of the motor shaft where it meets the Bell

[00:25:51]   is the same height this way the magnets line up properly with the stator poles you got to make sure that the the Gap the the air gap basically which is the the gap between the Stater

[00:26:08]   pole and the magnets is roughly the same otherwise you could have too small of an air gap and then it could just rub and not spin at all or if you have too big of an air gap it's not going to make

[00:26:19]   [@$#%] for power there's a lot of things there's a lot of things that need to line up this is why I'm saying like you need to stay within the same manufacturer I don't think that there

[00:26:29]   are many Motors that you can do this with like like a t-motor Pacer versus a Vel motor I wouldn't think you'd be able to do this because most Motors when when they go from one line to the

[00:26:43]   next they change a bunch of stuff and if they change any one of those things it's not going to work you're not going to be able to mix Staters and bells maybe

[00:26:52]    here's one time you can almost always mix Staters and bells is the same motor with different KVs the the t-motor F40 Pro 4S are really hard to find because they were discontinued a while

[00:27:09]   ago at some point one of you guys found a website that had a so I run the the 19 or the 1850 KV variants because I'm on 6s but one of you beautiful people was likethe F40 Pro 4S are in

[00:27:24]   stock at so and so website but they're 2400 KV the 4 skv I don't care what I break are the bells so I ordered all of them that that company had in stock and I just pulled all the bells off and now

[00:27:38]   I have a whole bunch of extra bells that I can swap onto the 1850 KV Staters I've done that for years and it's totally fine so if it's the same exact motor but just the wrong KV and all you need

[00:27:51]   are the bells you can do that but going from like stator size also has to be the same of course I wouldn't be able to take a bell for a 2306 and put it onto a 2207 right

[00:28:06]   or 0702 802 you probably knew that already I think that's everything I think that's everything that needs to stay the same in order to do it's an interesting it's an interesting little

[00:28:22]   thing to think about like is there a is there a motor Bell out there that has stronger or thi thicker magnets that we can put onto a different Stater that's a higher KV

[00:28:35]    now you got me thinking about doing that on the 102s but the 102s are all completely different well in theory I'm not convinced that all of these motors are not made by the same place

[00:28:50]    but the designs do look totally different on these motors a lot of times though they just changed the motor Bell like the there's not a whole lot of optimization to be had in the Stater

[00:29:05]   right like you wind it to be a certain KV and then you make it like as light as possible without sacrificing durability and that's kind of it so prot to go says what's up

[00:29:18]   Coal Power says we got that P just P says my stock meteor 65 Pro Motors are giving me short flight times guessing bent shafts any recommendations for replacement preferably 1 and half mm

[00:29:31]   shaft P my first recommendation is going to be a is going to be to get rid of the medeor 65 Pro frame there is a huge performance Improvement to be had going down to regular old 65 the

[00:29:48]   regular old 65mm frames are going to give you access to much better propeller options and because of that much better motor options too so what you should do is drop down

[00:30:02]   to a cockroach 65 V3 frame or a HappyModel Mobula 6 2024 frame those are my two favorites at the moment and then buy yourself a couple of different propellers get yourself a couple of

[00:30:19]   sets of the geman 1210 by blades get a couple of sets of the GemFan 129 s Tri blades and the HQ what I call YOLO props it's their Ultra lightweight triblade propeller it's their new one

[00:30:38]   those are the three best propellers in all of tiny [@$#%] and then you can get 0702 Motors at a really high KV we bed has 0702 32,500 which are amazing tiny whoop sells but they're out of stock 0702

[00:30:56]   30,000 KV 32,000 KV and 36,000 KV they're all rocking that will completely transform that whoop that you've got from kind of like a heavy short runtime not

[00:31:12]   really just fat rig into something that's a scalpel that you can like shred inside the house you're going to lose like probably 2 or three G and you're going to gain power

[00:31:28]    and response time and the difference is unbelievable I have tried and tried and tried and tried and tried with the meteor 65 Pro frame the propeller selection sucks the frame is

[00:31:40]   not all that great either I mean it's okay the frame's okay it just it doesn't it doesn't fix any problems and it creates a bunch of problems too much weight bad propeller selection

[00:31:50]   because of the propeller selection you have to run bigger heavier Motors that you really don't need so and then if if you want to build something for flying outside you want to go up to

[00:32:01]   75 75 again has better propeller selection better motor selection and it's going to work a lot better outside so luckily frames are $4 so you're you're only wasting $4

[00:32:18]   getting rid of that 65 Pro frame MO FPV is in the house he says do not give up we shall not wake and B well I'm sort of giving up but we'll talk more in a minute Wen big says that

[00:32:31]   Firefly that flywoo Firefly frame rocks with the X12 stack very cool I might I might give one of those a shot I wish they had a two and a half inch frame 661 FPV says I got an X12

[00:32:46]   in a Mobula 7 V3 frame and it fits nice thank you dude and the frame is durable BT 3.0 is the way to go on that setup nice I wish the X12 didn't have have that stupid ceramic antenna

[00:33:01]   the the ceramic antenna sits up really high and I'm going to be putting a WalkSnail VTX on top so that's kind of annoying I could break the ceramic antenna off and replace it with

[00:33:11]   a piece of wire but it just doesn't make sense to me to run an a that has a VTX built in with an external VTX right I I would really rather find something else I'm pretty sure that newbie J has

[00:33:24]   something I I got to look it up Proto says how important is digital anyway not not important at all pretty images are boring and people want realness well maybe not

[00:33:37]   the the the WalkSnail 75mm freestyle Obsession right now is a two-parter yes it would be awesome to have something that shreds in HD for freestyle but it's also

[00:33:56]   mainly I would do it on I would just I've had the 65mm WalkSnail freestyle setup and it flies great the problem is runtime you end up with like minute and 50c runtime and that's just not

[00:34:12]   enough so going up to 75 is pretty much specifically around battery size 450s and 550s but and the the main point of it is is taking it to places where you would never ever ever be able to fly

[00:34:33]   FPV and flying FPV and the worst case scenario is that the security guard laughs at you for flying a little tiny kids toy and says get out of here the whole like wanting it to be freestyle

[00:34:46]   capable and jungle gym Basher capable th this is kind of me giving up on that I think that's what I'm giving up on I'm not giving up on these rigs I'm not going to tear both of these

[00:35:00]   rigs down I'm probably going to tear one of them down but I'm not going to not have a 75 millim WalkSnail build it's just that I think I'm Giving Up on Jungle Gym bashing them and so

[00:35:18]   let's dive into it I I I think I'm caught up enough on chat that that we can kind of dive into it so yesterday when I took aelia to guitar lessons they've got a couple jungle gems

[00:35:36]   out be back behind the building and I brought all my [@$#%] and I went out there and I flew a few batteries and this is the third time I think I've done that hold on I have to blow my nose this is

[00:35:48]   ridiculous my [@$#%] allergies are so bad God damn it I thought I was done with this allergy [@$#%] a sounds like a bunch of [@$#%] pots and pans when it's not miked bl550 with a $5

[00:36:54]   Super Chat thank you homie I wish I could read that wait wait I think I'm caught up enough BL says what are your thoughts on brother hobby 157 stay away 3100 KV HQ prop 3x 303 on

[00:37:10]   a skylight frame 17s are way too tall right remember what we talk about all the time motor sizing the most important thing in motor sizing other than just like the size and the KV

[00:37:24]    the third most important thing is the ratio of height to width you want Motors that are at minimum 3 to one three wide to one tall is a freestyle motor and then five wide to one tall is a

[00:37:44]   cinematic stay cool motor 1507 is too wide to one tall and that's going to leave you with a motor that overheats really quickly like you go Full Throttle and it pretty much

[00:37:59]   immediately overheats and so that leaves you with a motor that's very inefficient if you're if you're pushing the throttle because it's going to be too hot and magnets hate to be hot and it's also

[00:38:10]   going to be a motor that's very inconsistent depending on how hot the motor is you're going to get a different amount of power so if you Hammer the throttle and it gets really hot and then

[00:38:19]   you come off the throttle and then you get back into the throttle it's going to have a completely different amount of power that second time because of how hot the motor is so 1507 is a

[00:38:29]   terrible motor size as is 1408 1408 is actually even worse unless you're doing like some kind of drag racing or just building like a super for fun rig if you just want something that you can

[00:38:41]   Hammer the throttle and for like a half a second you get just acres and Acres of power sure 1408 1507 all day if you want something that's actually good to fly stay the hell away from them they're

[00:38:53]   they're a nightmare 1 157's were like the first micro motor that we got 3 4 years ago that made good power and so a ton of people made them and a t ton of people kind of jumped on the bandwagon

[00:39:10]    and a bunch of those people unfortunately haven't gotten off that bandwagon they haven't paid any attention since and then there's those of us that have been paying

[00:39:19]   attention and we've got the motors that actually fly good 144s 1505 1604 1804 we have lots and lots and lots of Motors that are the correct Stater size for something that actually flies good

[00:39:34]   not something that just makes ass loads of power one of the problems with the Avada and one of the reasons why it does the yaw tumble thing is the motor sizing it runs 1507 I don't know

[00:39:45]   what the new one runs but it runs a motor that very quickly overheats so when when you put it into that yall situation it's just hammering the motors and then they're overheating losing

[00:39:57]   power running out of power and then the pit Loop just falls on its face and it falls out of the goddamn sky so I I I the one of the cool things about the axis kit for the Avada is that it

[00:40:11]   adapts it to a four bolt motor mount and you can run any motor on there I I can't believe I haven't seen anyone somebody's probably doing it but I would love to see what a Nevada

[00:40:24]   flies like on a 2004 it's probably amazing but I ain't doing it I don't have a, plus dollars to pour into a stupid stupid project I'm very curious what the what motors the

[00:40:43]   evada 2 runs I wouldn't be surprised if they're a wider motor if if they're paying any attention it's going to be a wider motor what I will say is that those really tall

[00:40:54]   Motors potentially can be more efficient as long as you never go full throttle to overheat them if you limit the throttle if you limit the amount of power that they make they can potentially be

[00:41:08]   more efficient but what's the point if you're going to limit the amount of power that they make then you can run an even lighter motor instead of a 1507 you can run a 1506 or a 1505 so what's

[00:41:20]   the point right you would have to have like you would have to have like Dynamic motor limiting where it gave you like a quarter of a second of Full Throttle and then it dynamically started pulling the

[00:41:34]   the the full powerness of the power down to make sure that they don't overheat a company like DJI could probably do that they could probably figure out how to do that it's not something that

[00:41:48]   BetaFlight handles right so we wouldn't necessarily be able to do that but I'm assuming that DJI is writing all of the flight software and firmware for for their own stuff so they could

[00:41:59]   do that they could they could Point they could build a Thrust stand and point an infrared camera at the motors and then do testing right Mount the propellers on there run them up

[00:42:10]   to full throttle and see how quickly they they they get hot and then figure out how they need to limit the throttle to keep them from getting too hot to the point where they they

[00:42:23]   saturate with heat and that's when they become extremely inefficient I wouldn't be surprised if they do something because they get so much extra runtime out of their out of the

[00:42:35]   avadas versus like any cine whoop that any of us have ever built I don't know that's just me talking out of my ass potentially but it' be pretty cool if they did do

[00:42:48]   something let me scroll thank you again BLD for the very generous Super Chat hopefully I helped you if you don't get 17s then I helped you a lot because they're very they're a

[00:43:02]   very annoying motor to fly they're very fun with for that first like Split Second that you go Full Throttle but then the rest of the time you're flying them they suck and they're also very

[00:43:13]   tall and they Bend Motor shafts a lot because they're so tall it's a big long lever Alex K says happy birthday better late than never sorry I'm from Europe no worries brother it's a that

[00:43:27]   you're from Europe is the HappyModel 0702 28,000 durable compared to other 0702 Motors what is the most durable 0702 High KV motor all of the 0702 high KV Motors are made by HappyModel and they're all

[00:43:45]   exactly the same so there's absolutely no durability difference between any of the high K KV 72s from HappyModel this is all of the wee bed Motors all of the tiny whoop Motors and of course all

[00:43:56]   of the HappyModel branded Motors the only other high KV 702 that there is at the moment is made by Newbie drone and that might be more durable might be less durable I don't know I haven't

[00:44:11]   flown them enough to see if they're more or less durable but the the HappyModel Motors are the ones that perform the best so those are the ones that you want anyway oh BetaFPV no no BetaFPV has a

[00:44:27]   couple of high KV 72s no I I don't know about the durability on them I do I need to get it's might be too late I'll wait for them to do another run maybe go even higher KV or something I think

[00:44:39]   it's too late to dive on the BetaFPV 702 thing 6x1 FPV says I'm running the Mobula 8 Motors in it 1103 11,000 KV I feel like I want to try 1102 14,000 KV on that I wouldn't be surprised if

[00:45:03]   1102 14,000 KV is big enough to stay cool right because you're going shorter you're not sacrificing any width the the width of the motor is what keeps it cool right The Wider the motor the more of

[00:45:20]   the heat sink which is the way you can think of the Bell is in the airflow right the narrower the motor the farther the motor mot Bell is away from the actual air flow from the propellers

[00:45:29]   right so you're going from 11:03 to 11:02 so the motor's going to make less potentially it's going to make less power it's going to be lighter but it's the same width so it should run

[00:45:45]   cooler but then you've got higher KV so the 1103 most binding flies have Motors that are too low of a KV and the motor never gets even remove remotely warm so you're going to a smaller motor

[00:46:01]   but a higher KV and a lot of times that'll actually get you more power like those 1103 11,000 at Full Throttle they're probably just like relaxed and just chilling going up to 14,000 KV

[00:46:15]   that's going to make the motor work harder and then 1102 it's going to be a little bit lighter so I mean the the easy button would be would be to stay with 1103 and go up in KV but

[00:46:26]   depending depending on the all up weight of the rig 1102s might be okay so that's actually what I would do I would do an the 1102 14,000 if I were you BL says hi proin to go says I'm currently

[00:46:39]   running 1,500 tvl on 5 in without an action cam it looks amazing are there Nano sized ones are there nanosized ones nanosized cameras that are, 1500 TV lines man I have no idea I don't I

[00:47:00]   don't pay any attention to the the TV line rating on cameras that actually reminds me though the Newbie drone bi camera the other day on the live stream I noticed that the hd0

[00:47:22]   footage even though it's captured in 60 frames a second is not actually 60 frames a second it's 30 frames a second and what we were theorizing on the stream is that that is an after effect

[00:47:37]   of the D interlacing basically the way that old school 640 x480 analog cameras work is they so there's a there it captures a TV line here so 60 frames a second TV line frame number one TV lines here

[00:47:57]   and then frame number two TV lines down here frame number three frame number four frame number five frame number six and then the and then to interlace them you take those frames

[00:48:10]   that are right next to you take frame one and frame two and you combine them well you don't combine them you you make one frame with both of them I should say right and so that would

[00:48:21]   totally stand to reason that you take 60 frames frame 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 and then you you smash them all together 30 frames a second so to test that I took that rig and I took my fat sharks

[00:48:41]   and my immersion RC power play which records in 60 frames a second this is the combo fat sharks with this this is the combo that I've used in the past and I've gotten 60 frame per

[00:48:58]   second analog footage which I used on the previous analog drift edit half of that edit is in 50% speed and it's very obviously 60 frames a second so I tested that on the same newbie drone bi

[00:49:16]   camera and it was only 30 frames a second so I think that the bi camera I don't know I don't understand it's either the bi camera or it's the HappyModel 5 amp

[00:49:36]   elrs 2g4 AO the VTX in it the the rig the AO that I flew the the footage from that pre the this AIO this is the t-motor 1S AIO with the VTX built

[00:49:57]   this AIO going to the fat shark goggles recording on this with with the cadx ant light camera gives me 60 frames a second so I'm now in the process of like reverse engineering that

[00:50:19]    and trying to figure out what I need to do to get 60 frames a second again because I really want it I I want to be able to Chase the little RC drift cars with an analog rig super lightweight

[00:50:31]   with the Batwing camera mount and get 60 frames a second that in the edit I can slow down so the first thing I did this is the other analog drift car chasing rig

[00:50:47]   where the I had an old school OV 231 camera on for the for Thursday but the lens started to separate from the PCB so I flew it once it was all out of focus I realized that and I put it down I've

[00:50:59]   switched the camera over to this I've switched the camera over on this I actually put the Mobula 6 2024 camera in here at the moment I actually really camera and it fits in the

[00:51:15]   Batwing Mount so this is going to be the first camera that I test to see if with this camera on it I can get 60 frames a second again if this doesn't work I'm going to move back

[00:51:27]   to the cadx ant light even though it's not good in low light but I I this camera was a part of the setup that accomplished what I'm looking for so it's coming up it's going to get

[00:51:40]   used at some point here more than likely I hope it's not the a I hope there's not something special about this t-motor the the VTX in this t-motor AO that it's somehow weirdly like the only one

[00:51:56]   that's outputting 60 frames but we'll see I'm going to hold on to this for the time being at some point I might sell this AIO because the VTX is doing this weird thing where

[00:52:09]   it's a little bit dark it's still flyable so I'll sell this super cheap to somebody that just wants a rig up in the air but the video quality kind of sucks because it's a little dark

[00:52:19]   look at that that previous analog it's called like analog FPV invades RC drift or something and you can see exactly what the VTX is doing it's just it's a little dark not the end

[00:52:31]   of the world but for what I'm using it for which is like cinematic analog it's no good my God my nose hold on one more time this should be the last time hang on

[00:53:13]   all right ah snotsnot everywhere Gert J X is in the house he says gang county FPV says I have a 75mm 2S frame I'd love to see you build one or just just send me a list of good parts and I will

[00:53:58]   my CSX is fun as a jungle gym Basher but want a lighter rig Cy all you really need to do is subscribe to the channel here and just come back to the live streams I do

[00:54:10]   all of the the R&D on these builds here live if if I don't physically do the work live I come back on the following live stream and I and I get you guys caught up to date so

[00:54:24]   you'll get to see if I decide to do it which I probably will you'll get to see the entire build me kind of theory craft the setup look around at different options and then put it

[00:54:37]   together and fly it here on the live stream so all you got to do is stick around and you'll get to see the whole thing Damon says you can use 102 22,000 KV on 2S with 85% motor limit just fine

[00:54:51]    85% that's an awful lot that's what I've been running for almost a year now on the same flight controller Jesus that is a ton of RPM so much so that I can't even do the

[00:55:07]   math so 22,000 KV becomes 44,000 KV on 2S and then an 85% motor scale is we multiply it by 085 Jesus Christ dude that's 37,000 that's the 1 s equivalent of 37,400 KV that is

[00:55:32]   ridiculous makes sense though the X12 has 12 amp fets on it so that I can't imagine flying something that's that powerful that that is banana pants I'll be down at

[00:55:53]   well oh [@$#%] I mean for 14,000 KV on 2S is the 1S equivalent of 28,000 right these guys are 22,000 so we're going up by 5,000 which is a lot but they're they're getting

[00:56:14]   even heavier right like we're going to take a battery that's let's start to figure this out we're going to go from a battery that only weighs 12.3 grams to I want to say the BT 3.0 batteries

[00:56:35]   weigh 18 grams let's look it up we might as well just go on their website because they're going to be the ones that have all the batteries at the time I doubt that anybody else is going

[00:56:53]   to make these BT 3.0 batteries God damn it really you don't have a link 2S battery there we go four n don't is 450 really the smallest that they have they don't have a 300 come

[00:57:13]   on oh this is going to be brutal oh my God are you kidding me it's going to be more than 18 grams it's going to be 20 something gr it's going to be double the weight of this battery

[00:57:28]   that I'm that I just weighed Jesus 27 GS oh my God I don't think I'm going to do it 27 27 extra grams that's way too much it's already at 31 Jesus Christ it's going to double the W no I'm not

[00:57:50]   doing it that's no how do they not have a 300 mahh version of this battery are you kidding me right now I would I would rather do this sucks I would rather do two 300s two 300mah folded cell batteries

[00:58:14]   is 16.7 that's if I do this that's what I'm going to do that's ridiculous they used to sell but you can make a double bt2.0 connector let's see if I can find it on their website there it

[00:58:38]   is oh it's back in stock look at that so this is what I'm going to use to go 2S BT 3.0 can go to hell that that not having a 300 MH battery is ridiculous that that's I didn't realize

[00:58:52]   that I I thought that they had a 300 and a 400 that is a total deal breaker so BT 3.0 is g to be for 2 in and above at that at that much battery weight [@$#%] the problem is going to be

[00:59:16]   mounting the battery oh God it never ends the Cockroach 75 frame does come with Provisions to mount two 300mah batteries this is the setup that I have on the tiny

[00:59:42]   lifters and it and it works really well for the tiny lifters but unfortunately this cockroach 75 frame is very fragile so for any kind of a freestyle rig this Frame would be a pain in the

[00:59:58]   ass especially because it's got the carbon fiber brace and that's just going to wreck the motors these are the 14,000 KV 102s by the way no other frames that I've ever seen have Provisions to

[01:00:12]   mount double 300mah batteries I don't think I'm doing the 2S thing my friends I think think that if you want a freestyle rig it's analog and if you

[01:00:37]   want a little tiny cine whoop we're going to stay 1S because like as the weight goes higher and higher and higher the rig makes a lot more noise and it hits someone in the

[01:00:49]   face a lot harder and adding an additional 27 grams to this it's going to double the volume because it's going to have to push twice as much air it's going to hit twice as

[01:01:05]   hard no I'm not doing that and then it's not going to be durable it's absolutely not going to be durable no way I don't care how strong that frame is it's going to crash like a an actual ton of bricks

[01:01:18]   it's going to be like a sack of hammers flying through the air and as you're about to see jungle gym bashing is brutal let's dive into that let's let's dive into some of the flight

[01:01:31]   footage from from yesterday two days ago yesterday okay let's get this subtitle subtitles out of the way so this is the RC and Power 102 22,00 KV rig let me get you a weight

[01:01:58]   on it meteor 75 airf frame which is holding up completely fine I know a bunch of you has have broken these 75 air frames but mine is apparently indestructible I don't understand it

[01:02:12]   you're about to see I battered the living [@$#%] out of it GemFan 1610 by blades RCN Power 102 22000 which fly just like all of the other 102 22,000 plus KV Motors the

[01:02:28]   flywoo the iate zings look how bad that performance is at the bottom there like it doesn't make enough power like look at that's awful the the the tune is cranked on this

[01:02:43]   rig and I mean just in general it just doesn't have nearly enough power Mobula 6 canopy WalkSnail light BT 2.0 beta f PV cross style AIO all up not all up dry weight is

[01:03:02]   31.6 G it doesn't have enough power when when I'm when I'm cruising around outside I'm at like 60% throttle it sucks and then you've only got a little bit of extra throttle

[01:03:23]    when I'm when I'm like trying to really move this thing around I'm damn near 100% throttle all the time it's and that's I hate that I hate rigs where you're you have to sit them at

[01:03:35]   full like like so for example right like in here doing a no let's just go to the next battery this should be the next battery nope it's the same one what the hell happened hold on

[01:03:56]    oh no okay it was it was the next batter all right so same rig you can tell which rig it is down here by the color of the the ducts one of them's clear one of them's black so a lot

[01:04:08]   of this stuff that I'm doing in here ends up just sit that whole this is Full Throttle ready and Full Throttle Full Throttle Full Throttle Full Throttle sucks dude that that is not

[01:04:20]   enough power like stuff like that was cool that I came close to that but I didn't mean to come close to it I wanted to throw myself well over it but it's just

[01:04:31]   doesn't make enough power to do it and a lot of these crashes are just because it doesn't have enough power to move itself like I I I expect more and it's just not there there's

[01:04:44]   the the motors are not high enough KV or the rig is too heavy I mean I can't really lighten the rig up all that much if any and maintain any kind of dur ility all right and now see look here's

[01:04:58]   another problem ready so we're going to go into a matty flip kind of deal here ready and here and now there's a pacing there's a pacing to Matty flips there's an amount of time that you can

[01:05:15]   wait while you pitch it forward to bring it around and if the damn thing hits the ground like this that means it's too heavy or doesn't have enough power to fling itself up this is Full Throttle

[01:05:29]   right Full Throttle Full Throttle and then pitch forward and it's just there's like no fling right it's not it's is when I come off the throttle here it has barely generated any upward momentum

[01:05:44]   to give it hang time it's just there's a complete lack of Hang Time and then it ends up with it hitting the ground all the damn time and when you're it just feels like it has no power when

[01:05:55]   you're flying it's just feels like ass like that is a full big Power Loop Look at Full Throttle Full Throttle Full Throttle and it barely clears This and it looks kind of cool

[01:06:09]   because it stayed proximity but if I want to do a real close proximity power Loop I'll do it differently I'll do it with a smaller throttle blip this is me using big throttle blips to try to throw

[01:06:21]   it cleanly up over that to give myself enough time to catch it and just won't it's just doesn't have it maybe someday we'll get 25 or 27,000 KV 102s and that'll change it maybe 102 is just

[01:06:35]   too small of a mo I think 102 is just too small of a motor and it's just saturating with heat like look it just it just hits the ground this is like a big tall this is like 8 feet or

[01:06:46]   10 feet high and it's like I just turn it over I try to fling it into the move there's no fling and then I turn it over the regular Pace that I do that I do power loops and Matty flips at with

[01:07:00]   everything else and it just won't make it so it just it just doesn't have it's just does not have the horsepower to be like a proper freestyle rig it's like a cop this is

[01:07:16]   this is like if I was to Freestyle the the cpor and that's not that's not what I want it's actually worse than that the cpor has more more power than this and so that that's about it

[01:07:32]   that that's the 102s I don't I don't think I don't know if I'm going to really fly him in a freestyle setting anymore and so now I moved over I guess I did another battery on

[01:07:42]   the 102s interesting wait what why did it start there this is the battery where I really started to get frustrated I think that was maybe like a half battery and then the other

[01:07:56]   half of a battery or something but I'll let this go see all right so there there there's a little bit of fling there's a little bit of fling Absolutely Fresh

[01:08:04]   battery and then from down low but it's just not a lot it's not a lot look it's like fling no more fling like look at the amount of time right so this is me let's do this let's go super super

[01:08:22]   super slow so here we go Full Throttle Full Throttle Full Throttle Full Throttle Full Throttle as soon as you see me Pitch forward that's where I'm coming off the throttle ready and so off the

[01:08:39]   throttle and now so that it's got a little bit of upward throw but now it's like all and now it's starting to lose altitude already it had like five frames of upward momentum and now it's

[01:08:53]   starting to come down already that's like that's not enough not enough I got lucky on that by the way I was not lined up for the the other thing that you're going to see

[01:09:07]   in the end of this battery and look at that look at the look at the ugliness here ready this tune is cranked and it's still CR washy and ugly see that like like just bottoming out

[01:09:24]   there no power no power and so now there was like look you can't even see the wind the the trees are barely moving but there is wind there's wind that I could feel on my face not a lot but

[01:09:38]   there is wind look how bad the wind is is is kicking my ass right like you'll see I I got really stubborn about trying to hit Matty flips on these two things here and the

[01:09:53]   wind was just destroying me it's coming up so the the other thing why I'm the the other reason that I'm kind of looking to give up with this is that just the the wind is just too much

[01:10:09]    I I I would see see you can really see it there you can really really really see it here ready and it's like I just want to get in there and it just I I I can't turn the the wind was

[01:10:21]   coming from the jungle gym towards my face and it just there's just this Plinko session of like look at that look how much it pushed me that's not like I I had the Horizon dead [@$#%]

[01:10:34]   level look The Horizon's dead level look at it pushing me I would I previously I thought that if the rig was a little bit heavier it would actually help in the wind but man the analog 75mm rigs they

[01:10:49]   don't they don't seem to get pushed around this bad in the wind I I I don't know why that doesn't necessarily make sense to me but I was just so frustrated with with the way this thing

[01:11:02]   was kind of Performing this is me being stubborn which of course ends with it getting stuck so I I'm just done with it I just I don't like the way it flies and so that was the 102 rig and I was like

[01:11:22]   all right all right maybe the beta PV 1102s so that was 102 22,000 here ready let's look at the weights again 102 22,000 31.6 gram 1102 22,000 on the 75 Pro frame 35.7 gram it is so much heavier yes the

[01:11:55]   the propellers are bigger but the rig is so much heavier that but I was like well the motors are bigger the propellers are bigger I've tested this before I shouldn't have had such high

[01:12:09]   hopes but here's this guy so now you can tell the difference look on the bottom you've got the black ducts you've also got more of the ducts in

[01:12:19]   view yes it has a little bit more power and a little bit more fling but the extra weight really hurts it in terms of being accurate and being able to like get through these small gaps as

[01:12:34]   you can see like I don't think I've hit a single Gap yet so it's carrying all that extra weight there we go although that wasn't necessarily on purpose the big problem though you'll notice all

[01:12:47]   the time which is the absolutely absurd amount of jello these motors have like five batteries on them all of those batteries have been inside the house this is the first time

[01:13:03]   that I've flown it outside the house and hit metal things hard and over the look at that look how bad that is I hope it's coming through the live stream it is so awful the jello is is

[01:13:17]   everywhere you can like hear it and now as I fly this it gets worse and worse and worse each one of these crash es each individual one of these crashes bends these motor shafts up more and

[01:13:30]   more and more I'm going to really quickly check to see if it's the propellers it's so bad that I actually had to come back and check it cuz it noticeably got worse during this this

[01:13:39]   half a battery what but then I remembered that I've been running these BetaFPV 1102 motors for like two plus years on the tiny lifters I used to have two tiny lifters on these BetaFPV

[01:13:58]   1102s they were the the lower KV ones the 14,000 and what I learned is that whatever the hell yes it's a 1 and a half millimeter motor shaft but whatever material that BetaFPV chose for these 1

[01:14:15]   and a half mm motor shafts is incredibly soft and these motors are super super super fragile because of that like I said we're going to kind of confirm that in a minute by changing the

[01:14:28]   props out but you can see it in this in this video the beginning of this flight footage the jello was not it was there but it wasn't nearly as bad as what you're like look at this look how

[01:14:41]   bad that is it's awful and it's so bad that it's starting to throw the pit Loop off and then it's losing power because the PID Loop is overactive and the tune is not aggressive enough

[01:14:53]   already I think this is me bringing the tune down a little bit although I thought it would record no no it's not recording it because this is the on no that was me bringing the tune

[01:15:06]   down I wonder why look how bad it is it's just useless so these motors are now wrecked these are these motors have like six batteries on them and they're destroyed in theory we we we'll double

[01:15:17]   check that but the I'm just like I'm sad I'm very sad my friends and this still doesn't have enough power like maybe kind of it's hard to tell through the the Jello-O and the horrible

[01:15:39]   vibrating I hope you guys can see how bad it is in the in the live stream if not I guess I can like upload this to YouTube and you can watch it's horrible though they take my take my

[01:15:47]   word for it's absolutely [@$#%] taco so there's that it definitely has more power though like like still not enough but like look at this throw fresh battery throw like

[01:16:09]   that had a little bit of upward momentum but it's still flies like a goddamn School Bus man and in fairness some of these crashes are pretty hard but like this is what I want I want a jungle

[01:16:21]   gem Basher and if this isn't going to work as one that's it's analog for this stuff if if if I have to go analog for it to be light and durable enough to do

[01:16:32]   this kind of stuff then that's it that that's what we do I'm not going to keep bashing my head into the wall with these WalkSnail setups if the extra six grams is enough that it wrecks the

[01:16:44]   flight performance Andor the durability Andor whatever so I was so excited to fly these too yesterday I I really thought like I don't

[01:17:01]   know I don't know so let's check and see if it's the propellers or if it's the motors that's very easy to do we're just going to do it in Turtle mode I'm going to feel for it you guys are

[01:17:15]   going to listen for it you probably won't be able to hear it but I should be able to feel it so to check the easiest way to check if your propellers or motor shafts are bent to fire up your

[01:17:26]   transmitter flip it into Turtle mode only do this on tiny little rigs don't do this on anything bigger than a tiny whoop hold the rig in your hand arm it and just feel for the

[01:17:42]   vibrations on each motor individually so spin up each motor at a Time come on now there we go hold it in your hand so you can feel the vibrations also listen for the sound it's going to make and

[01:18:03]   very gently spin up each motor by going into the corners that'll spin just one motor at a time and you don't spin them full blast all most of the vibrations happen at

[01:18:15]   cruising which is like 30 to 40% throttle so that's you're going to be real gentle and so gently spin it up feel for the amount of vibrations and then go to the next motor one motor is

[01:18:27]   going to be clean and that's your Baseline boy oh boy all these are wrecked motor 3 is not motor 3 is the cleanest usually the rear Motors will be the cleanest because you crash face

[01:18:45]   first more more often than not motor number two is bad motor number four is really bad all right so that's your Baseline now you change propellers sometimes you can look at you

[01:19:11]   can spin it really slow and look at the propeller and see that the blades are one blade is swinging higher than the other in this case I can't see that in most cases you can't see that

[01:19:27]   all right so that's how you do it now we're going to change the props and see if that improves anything while you're at it you can also do that test with the propellers off which I'm going to do

[01:19:37]   so we'll pull the propellers we'll do that test again props off again what you're really looking for is is one motor hopefully you've got one motor that's relatively clean and then you're

[01:19:52]   feeling for how much more vibration there is on the other Motors than that clean one if you've got like a fresh motor that hasn't been crashed you can swap that on that's like the best way to test it but

[01:20:09]   usually the motors in the rear are going to be plenty clean for you to really see that the fronts are banged up so I've got the propellers off this is the Clone prop popper which I

[01:20:24]   actually like better than the original prop popper we'll hook the battery back up here give it a second to connect and we'll do that test one more time now that the propellers are off

[01:20:39]   you can do this test on any quad all the way up to 10 in whatever because it's safe with the propellers off and you can just sit here and really quickly spin each one up and see if there's one motor

[01:20:52]   that is super banged up so motor 4 I'm sorry motor one and again you're only testing the low RPMs Beyond 50% RPM you're not going to learn anything you can also kind

[01:21:04]   of like look sideways at the motor shaft and sometimes you can see it spinning so motor number one which is in the rear which is usually clean doesn't feel that bad still feels

[01:21:16]   pretty clean motor 2 oh motor 2 is actually fine motor 3 wow motor 3 feels as bad as motor 1 motor 3 feels worse than motor one I have had these motors on a different

[01:21:36]   frame so maybe these two Motors were on the front motor 4 is demolished motor 4 is in the front and it's wrecked Motors three and four are the worst Motors three and four

[01:21:51]   must have been on the front in the previous build motor 4 is the worst and let's see if I can see the motor shaft vibrating I can't one of the other things you can do put it down spin the

[01:22:10]   motor up slow take your fingernail if this is the motor shaft take your fingernail while the motor is spinning slowly and push it against the motor shaft and if the motor shaft is bent

[01:22:19]   it'll it'll vibrate against your finger I'm going to do that there motor 4 that's bad motor 4 is bad we're going to do motor 2 because that was one of the clean ones as

[01:22:33]   a motor 2 doesn't feel very good either motor 2 sounds okay but I can feel the motor shaft vibrating back and forth let's try motor one interesting motor one the motor

[01:22:47]   shaft is not vibrating very much back and forth motor 2 the motor shaft is vibrating way worse let's try motor 3 motor 3 is actually not too bad in terms of what I can feel on my finger

[01:23:02]   and then motor 4 motor 4 is hammered ass so there you go friends that's how you careful if you're doing that on a WalkSnail rig it's going to overheat get your gangly fan out or just

[01:23:16]   blow on it now I'm going to put a fresh set of propellers on and I am going to fly this one more time but I can feel that the motors are hammered the other the other

[01:23:35]   possibility is that the propellers are just out of balance I've heard from a bunch of people that they've not had any luck with these 455mm propellers being balanced a bunch of people say that

[01:23:48]   these are especially the tri blades I definitely noticed that the triblade 45 mil propellers are not balanced at all like so much so that I can't even run them but the by blades seemed okay in

[01:24:03]   the past but now all of a sudden they're just smashed so also In fairness a lot of the testing in the FL why this popped up all of a sudden I think is because most of the testing that I've done with

[01:24:22]   these rigs has been inside in low light in low light the shutter speed slows down and that hides a lot of the jello yesterday was noon that I was doing that testing so I mean it was

[01:24:36]   cloudy but still the sun's very bright the shutter speed is going to speed up and that's what really brings out Jello one/ 1200th of a second and above shutter speeds you start to really

[01:24:47]   notice Jell-O if there's vibrations so I'm going to put an absolutely fresh set of propellers on here I'm going to really quickly send them down the well before I put them down

[01:25:00]   the pin Vise I only have two pin vises left one of them is the is the one that I tried to heat oh no these propellers are the perfect inner diameter always check first don't just

[01:25:11]   send them down the pin Vise before checking their fit I would have made these too loose so I can't I guess I could put this up outside and test this right now but I'll I don't

[01:25:25]   know if I'm going to do that I'm just going to spin these up in my hands and we'll see if I can feel a difference from where it was before especially now that I know which

[01:25:41]   motor shafts are wobbling against my fingernail that is super helpful to know to try to kind of troubleshoot this okay absolutely brand new propellers are on here I've never run

[01:25:57]   any of these Coral props on this before I'm going to put these light blue props that I was running aside because there's a chance that they are just bent to [@$#%] and we're going to hook this

[01:26:12]   battery back up you can also do this in the motors Tab In BetaFlight it's a little bit easier to do it that way but it's not as fast it's nice to be able to do it with throtle mode

[01:26:24]   in my bare hands all right so motor one motor one was one of the ones that was vibrating on my fingernail motor two motor three M four it's maybe ever so slightly better but it's

[01:26:49]   not now there's too many Vibes I've done this test a lot and so I just have like a mental barometer or whatever for how much vibration is too much vibration man motor one is really

[01:27:14]   bad on the tiny lifters when I moved away from the BetaFPV 1102s to the RC and Power 102 the durability of the rig went way up and I was actually able to crash

[01:27:30]   the rig before it started to get Jello all over the place so these BetaFPV 1102s just I I I think that whatever whatever metal they used for the motor shafts is a cheaper softer metal and

[01:27:48]   as soon as you start crashing it's just they just get all bent up which is a shame because they make great power out of the box the these 11 and they're light the 1102s are very

[01:28:01]   lightweight and they make really good power I'll fly this one more time but I I think that's kind of it I I I can't have it be fragile that's a that's a deal breaker the weight of

[01:28:16]   this rig with the with this heavy ass 75 Pro frame is going to be even harder on the motors right it's just going to have much more energy when it comes in to crash and that energy has to

[01:28:32]   go somewhere this is also a fairly stiff frame and so the the stiffer the the part of the frame where the motor mounts to the more of that energy is going to get tied up in the motor itself

[01:28:47]   right when you crash the the guard pushes into the propeller and then that pushes on the motor and that's where the the the motor shaft bending happens some of these frames the the

[01:28:59]   standoffs are kind of soft so the motor will move like as you crash the the motor will will bend with the crash and that's going to more slowly dissipate that energy coming in and that saves

[01:29:13]   Motors this is why carbon fiber frames on these tiny whoops just Massacre Motors U because you're solidly mounting the motor it's got nowhere to go every time you crash all that energy gets

[01:29:26]   dumped into the motor shaft it just bends the [@$#%] out of the motor shaft so and this meteor 75 Pro frame is is pretty stiff the meteor 75 airf frame is much more bendy which is

[01:29:40]   actually going to help the motors the the motors will move on the shafts in the CRA on their bases I should say in the crashes and that'll help the motors survive longer whereas this is

[01:29:54]   way stiffer so it's stiffer and it's heavier and that's going to really M I can't believe in that during that battery I was able to watch the jello get worse and worse and worse from

[01:30:07]   the crashes that were happening usually it takes a bunch of batteries to see that kind of a degradation in in the Jib Jab but what that does mean is that these light blue propellers that

[01:30:23]   were on are really not bent up so I can run them again although I don't know if I'm ever going to run 45 mil again it's not until there's a lightweight frame I don't think it really makes much

[01:30:35]   sense sad man I'm sad I'm sad this whole thing I've put so much time and effort and energy into this and it's just like I I just can't figure it out and and

[01:30:52]   2s doesn't seem it's I'm not running those heavy ass batteries and there are no frames that are going to take double 300mah BT 2.0 batteries in a way that's not like janky

[01:31:06]   and shitty and when you start crashing hard if you're not if your battery Mount solution is not like Dead locked in the batteries are going to move all over the place they're going to

[01:31:16]   eject you're going to lose the rig it's no good smoking dog Kujo says newbie here how do you determine motor size when deciding on a build can you explain what the KV what the KV of a motor and how

[01:31:29]   to use it when deciding on a motor thank you that is a massive conversation Smoking Dog the the the easiest answer I can give you to that is to look at BNF's if if

[01:31:47]   you want to do a 2in toothpick build look at all of the 2in tooth pick binding flies that are out there look at what motors those guys are using and then pick a motor that is either

[01:32:02]   slightly bigger or slightly higher KV most of the BNF's don't have great flight performance because they choose Motors that are a little bit too small that way when they crash they

[01:32:15]   don't hit as hard they're not going to be as as rough on the ESC it makes a more durable rig and if you're building a BNF to sell to hundreds if not thousands of people it makes

[01:32:28]   a lot of sense to make it more durable than a total rocket ship so that's the easiest way to do it for me I've just built hundreds of different combinations of rigs over

[01:32:41]   the last seven plus years so I just kind of know it and if you come into the chat and say I'm looking to build a really powerful 2in freestyle non two toothpick build I'll tell you

[01:32:55]   here's the motor that that I would run personally on a rig but that that's the only way I can answer that question it's as that's a really tough

[01:33:09]   question but looking at the BNF's and then scaling up a little bit is is sort of the Easy Button and then you said can you explain what the KV of a motor is I think is

[01:33:22]   what you meant to say it's basically the RPM that it'll turn the the higher the KV the higher of an RPM the motor will turn if the KV is too high then so if you've got a tiny little motor

[01:33:38]   and then it's got a really high KV and it's got a really draggy propeller on it there's a point where the little tiny motor will not have enough power to push the propeller any faster

[01:33:54]   and so what can happen is like you start to raise the throttle and you get to like 80% throttle and as you keep adding throttle it doesn't make any more power it's already given all that it has to

[01:34:08]   give and so from 80% to 100% throttle you will send that motor More Voltage and you will use more battery but it will all it will do is turn that extra battery power into heat it won't make

[01:34:23]   any actual extra power so you got to make sure that you don't go too high on the KV because you can get into a situation you can kind of feel it like if if you have a rig that like

[01:34:36]    60% power versus 100% power there's no difference in acceleration that's a that's a scenario where that's happening but usually the problem that we have is that the KVs are too low on Motors so that's

[01:34:52]   that's pretty rare more often there's performance being left on the table because the M manufacturers are not listening to those of us that actually fly these things hard CIS fbb says

[01:35:04]   what do you think the 103 22,000 KV would work well on got I'm trying to figure out what to do with them 2 and a half inch props 2 and a half inch by blades I think is what the 103 22000

[01:35:18]   maybe the the 2-in by blades but definitely the 2 and 1/2 in lightweight byblade propellers I think is what the the 103s are destined for I have to do something with mine I guess

[01:35:36]   I'll I guess I'll continue to punish myself and I'll swap them onto this after I fly it on these 1102s but I don't know 103 is an interesting size 22,000 KV is also an interesting KV for a

[01:35:55]   motor of this size we'll do a little more testing I I have a 2 and2 in toothpick frame maybe these motors will end up on there we'll see Dennis matovich says cool project

[01:36:15]   idea with old Parts saw an airboat on thing of verse using 655mm whooop Parts looked so cool there's also the the little hover crafts the little tiny whoop hovercrafts that were super

[01:36:26]   popular like I don't know two years ago three years ago neat little project Walter says factories like the What factories like those update products too often with no notice you

[01:36:40]   need the same batches all too difficult very true that's something that we run into really bad in FPV is like I'll find a product that is actually durable and I'll start flying the [@$#%] out of it

[01:36:54]   to really see if it's durable by the time like six months goes by and I'm like all right I've put 200 300 batteries through this and it's still holding up this is a durable

[01:37:05]   product a week later they discontinue it and they change it and they introduce a new one and a lot of times that new one that they introduce will not be durable so there's a the

[01:37:17]    the turnover in FPV is just absolutely brutal and it's super frustrating Bora J says would you care to recommend some budget race builds for 4S I'm the wrong guy to ask about racing I have

[01:37:33]   no concept of racing I have no interest in it so I have only 4S for now but I would love to race a bit I don't care if I will not be competitive versus 6s guys just for fun well I

[01:37:48]   mean racing is 99% pilot and 1% gear so I mean if you're willing to put the time and effort in you could probably whoop up on your on your local sixs guys by just outworking them just being a

[01:38:03]   better pilot if you get to like multi- GP or or like a more national competition you're going to have to have the right gear but on the on the local scale as long as you don't

[01:38:18]   have a couple of the really fast guys if you're in Tennessee you're screwed Evan's gonna whoop the [@$#%] out of you but most local races are not don't have

[01:38:27]   such highle Pilots I just I I just have no idea my on gear my gut says just to buy whatever fly 533 cells their stuff tends to be at the moment I believe the best in

[01:38:48]   terms of racing Evan Turner arguably the the best or at least the second best racing pilot behind mck on Earth this is his company so and a lot of people run his gear

[01:39:03]   so I know that his gear is some of the best if not the best that you can get so just bounce around on the FI fly 533 website although it doesn't seem to let me all right so their site's not set up

[01:39:23]   so that I can click here and look at all the racing frames but I think maybe the light is the light switch there you go so wow that's really aggressive I would maybe not do the ultra I'm

[01:39:33]   assuming Ultra means ultra light I would maybe stick with the regular one this is going to be more durable that's a really aggressive arm design on that Ultra one so this is

[01:39:45]   probably the right frame and then hopefully they've got a 4S KV on their Motors 270 KV that's a 6S KV you're going to be looking for like 24 or 2500 KV looks like they've really moved over

[01:40:07]   to they don't even tell you what the KV is on this motor what the hell there we go 1960 that's going to be too low I mean basically you just want to look for a

[01:40:17]   2207 in 2400 KV minimum 2400 2500 maybe even 2600 KV I would look for the highest KV possible like 2600 and then just motor limit's down a little bit's doesn't look like you're going to get

[01:40:34]   anything from here though they don't have they don't have any 4sv 22 2207 Motors that's a shame maybe they do here you go so this is a little bit of a heavier motor but it's awesome because it's

[01:40:53]   inexpensive and they're apparently really durable so this is what I would personally do emac Eco 2 20 hopefully they have a 2207 this would be okay 2306 2400 KV ah here we go here

[01:41:07]   you go here you go this is what you want emac eco2 2207 2400 KV motor this is what you want for 4S even better here you go even better 2500 this is what you want oh it's more expensive

[01:41:23]    if you got a couple extra bucks this would be a little bit better 2500 KV instead of 2 2400 KV but this is a $20 motor this is a $16 motor this is a hell of a deal for 16 bucks so

[01:41:36]   there you go couple of different Motors get Evans flame frame and then everything else is is on you right like ESC flight controller it's whatever I know a lot of people are

[01:41:46]   running the foxier reaper stuff let's see actually let's see what he has in the way of all right it's all sold out out not not surprising there's a weird selection here Sky Stars and iflight Blitz I would

[01:42:01]   think that he would have higher quality stuff than that unless those are the unless those are magic oh here we go here we go here we go here we go so you want to try to

[01:42:12]   be 20 by 20 for the for the the lightweightness so what I would personally do is the foxier f722 flight controller and then hopefully they've got the foxier ESC that's what I think like all so

[01:42:28]   the foxier Reaper ESC I think is what everybody's running it is 20 millimeter 20 x 20 I should say so there you go lots of stuff out of stock

[01:42:41]   unfortunately but that's FPV so there you go that's going to be my recommendation for you Mike's in the house what's up Mike Mike is GemFan Hobbies representative basically hopefully he's

[01:43:03]   still here that was 3:30 it's oh God that was an hour ago Christ he's probably not here I missed him I'm the worst parkour guy says best way to take off and put on c clips for Motors do it

[01:43:16]   in a plastic bag it do it in a clear plastic bag and crush your fingers that it doesn't shoot through the plastic bag and fly across the room BL thanks again for the $5 Super Chat

[01:43:32]    Walter says later when you hit adultery you you will grow out of it what when you hit adult that's not how I think of the word adultery but

[01:43:45]    fair enough Alexander Los Hugh says I feel you with the allergy [@$#%] mine got so bad recently I went to a specialist and now I'm on three different medications but can actually function dayto day

[01:43:56]    when I was in my 20s when I was in my mid 20s I moved into an apartment complex that was like two or 300 yards away from a major highway like the major highway that goes the 295 that goes through New

[01:44:10]   Jersey South Jersey and apparently if you're within 600 yards 600 meters of a highway where a lot of diesel tractor trailers rip up and down the diesel fumes make you like a th%

[01:44:28]   more likely to develop allergies I didn't really have allergies until I moved into this place very shortly after moving into this place my allergies got so bad I couldn't function like I would go to

[01:44:39]   work at 8: a.m. or 9:00 a.m. whatever the hell it was and from 8 or 9 until noon I couldn't take phone calls I couldn't do anything I had to like I was like holding tissues up to my nose cuz

[01:44:52]   it was just like pouring into them it was a [@$#%] nightmare and I went to the same thing went to a specialist that did all these tests they started giving me for the

[01:45:03]   next three years every single week I got a shot in both shoulders of like that's what allergy Specialists do they make this concoction of all the things that you're most allergic to and they

[01:45:17]   just give you the tiniest little bit of it in these injections and it sucks but it did work it builds your resistance to it right they give you a little bit of it and then a little bit

[01:45:27]   more a little bit more a little bit more it did work eventually but then when you stop doing that it's stops working right like it gets better and better and better and then when you stop

[01:45:38]   it gets worse but it got to the point where it was like livable and it is totally livable then and then eventually I moved away from that apartment complex and it got way better and here

[01:45:49]   where we're at now in lawrencville Georgia it is the best that's ever been but what's interesting is like now like now that I'm not constantly in this like allergic State when I get them at all

[01:46:04]   I'm like I get super frustrated because it hasn't been like an everyday thing but whatever first world problems I guess parkour guy says how does a

[01:46:16]   taller motor cause more power or the little effects adding a millimeter to height height versus width does width does for example 2207 and 2306 is a millimeter on the opposite axis isn't it

[01:46:32]   the same amount of wire the the height so the the magnets are like this and then the vertical part of the Stater pulls the magnet over so when you look at the windings around each

[01:46:48]   Stater pole they go like this and the only part of these windings that does anything is the vertical part so when you make the Stater taller there's more of a vertical part of the winding and

[01:47:00]   that's the part of the winding that does all the work so the vertical part of the winding being taller allows you to also run a taller magnet and then that creates a lot more power if you then

[01:47:12]   take the stator and you rotate it like this so that you're looking at it if you make it bigger like this that vertical part of the winding moves out a little tiny bit and that creates a

[01:47:27]   little bit more mechanical torque right it's a longer lever so to speak so when the motor gets bigger like this it does add a little bit of power the problem is the Bell becomes heavier and

[01:47:43]   the magnets sit farther out so centrifugal force wise the situation gets worse as you make a motor wider but the wide motor is is more in the airf flow and it runs cooler so the magnets

[01:47:58]   run cooler and they potentially work better from running cooler if on the smaller motor they're overheating if they're not overheating then you haven't accomplished anything so there's there's

[01:48:09]   like all these roads that all intersect right how hot are the magnets running how tall are the Stater windings how much mechanical torque and so but what we've

[01:48:24]   learned is that making and also you got to think of it percentage wise 2207 or 2306 to 2307 6 to7 that's like a 12 point something per increase it might even be more than that right 22 to 23

[01:48:46]   that's like a 6% that's like a 4% increase right so a 4 percent increase is way way way less than 12 or 13 or whatever it is so the extra millimeter of height is a much

[01:48:59]   bigger percentage change than the extra millimeter of width plus the extra millimeter of height doesn't make the Bell get wider for the the the the weight of the Bell affects the

[01:49:14]   response time and that's how good the pit Loop works that's just like what the rig feels like when you when you move the sticks around so there's a lot of things that going on that are going

[01:49:25]   on there of course 07 making the Bell get taller the magnets get taller so the Bell does weigh more on 2207 but it weighs more and you get 133% increase in the power making Dimension

[01:49:40]   which is the vertical Dimension as the motor get the other thing that happens if you're looking at it like this as the motor gets bigger and bigger and bigger like this the part of the

[01:49:51]   winding that does no no work gets bigger and bigger and bigger as this increases we only have 12 or 14 Stater poles so as the motor blows up like this the Stater poles go and this

[01:50:07]   part of the winding that does very little to nothing gets bigger and bigger and bigger so that's just more and more wasted weight so if you want more power from a motor ideally you want

[01:50:19]   to make it taller but there's a point where you can where you've made it Too Tall and it can't stay cool enough and there's a lot of inefficiency in that so motor design is wild man and

[01:50:34]    5-in motors have had the most development and you see the big performers are 2306 and 2207 227s outperform the [@$#%] out of 2306 in bench tests but then in the air 236s are

[01:50:52]   significantly lighter and they stay cooler so you still see a lot of people running 236s but 2207 is definitely the motor that on paper and in all of the bench tests just demolish

[01:51:07]   but then once you actually put them on a quad and fly it around if it's a lighter weight 5-in rig 236s are kind of magic 227s just feel awful heavy and they have tons of power in my opinion

[01:51:22]   too much power so it's all about there's this is the really fascinating side of FPV from like an engineering standpoint is like there's not a one-size fits-all solution to kind

[01:51:35]   of anything every pilot is different every rig is a different weight everybody wants their footage to look a little bit different and if you pay attention to the technical side which

[01:51:46]   not many people do but a bunch of us do you can really custom build a rig to spef specifically fit your exact needs that's something that I do in a service that I call build planning over

[01:51:59]   on Fiverr which is a link on C fpv.one stuff there's a Teespring store where you can buy some fun stuff there's a Fiverr page where you can work oneon-one with me and I can help you

[01:52:20]   custom build a rig that's perfect for yourself I can also help you fly better and teach you how to tune and then there's a whole bunch of affiliate Links at this point if you're not using an

[01:52:29]   affiliate link on every single internet order you're hurting those of us on YouTube trying to make content for you so don't do that don't hurt us be nice to us use affiliate links every time

[01:52:39]   friends replace your bookmarks with affiliate links then you don't even have to think about it great question parkour guy with a hell of a long I could talk for another half an hour

[01:52:51]   about that question but I'm way behind on chat so we're gonna I'm gonna try to go a little bit faster here Brandon MC Bean says I lovingly call the A2 the stupid

[01:53:11]   drum what's the A2 A2 I don't know what the A2 is Brandon also see says I can't wait till we get the 04 air unit me too man and then we can redesign all of our frames yet again and

[01:53:25]   some of that sweet sweet footage still going to try getting HDR mode literally never worked in that before what's that still going to try getting HDR mode HDR is in high dynamic range

[01:53:38]   what is that is that something on the 04 air unit gr FPV with a 199 Super Chat thank you brother he says are you coming to rampage this year miss you I am indeed they're bringing me out to set

[01:53:50]   up and run micro Mayhem as they have every year so I'll be there hopefully I see you there Broku says BetaFPV has 30,000 KV Motors it took me a minute to remember that but

[01:54:00]    they've got some high KV 0 72s but everybody that has tested the BetaFPV and the Newbie drone High KV Motors versus the happy models has said that the happy models make significantly more

[01:54:11]   power so in my mind those other high KV Motors don't even exist because they don't make enough power if you're going to run the higher KV you might as well get extra you're doing that to get the

[01:54:20]   extra power right parkour says is there a way to get 0 72s to have a 1.5 mm shaft maybe it depends on if they can find bushings that will work with that smaller Stater Nobody Does it yet it

[01:54:37]   would need to be like a totally custom thing you might see it in the future I would love it but the other problem would be there are no propellers that are really suited for 0702 1.5 mm shaft

[01:54:51]   Motors so we would then if we managed to get the motors we would then need to bug all the prop manufacturers to make new molds and molds are extremely expensive and Y yada y down the rabbit hole we go

[01:55:03]   BL says yes thank you you're certainly welcome raging Le says all hd0 DVR is 60 frames per second unless you're in 30 frame per second video mode if I remember correctly same is true

[01:55:16]   for WalkSnail but that you can record the DVR in a th000 frames per second if the signal coming in is only 30 frames per second then when you go to edit the video you've only got 30 frames per

[01:55:32]   second which is sort of it seems like that's the the issue that I'm running into here but I I more testing is is needed let's let's speaking of Let's test it really quick I'm dying to

[01:55:46]   know it's a very easy it's a very quick and easy test to do and I have Premiere I think I still have Premiere opened no I quit out of Premiere but I can I can probably still figure it out

[01:56:00]   so the immersion RC power play records in 60 frames the my fat shark HD3 is in the past have have sent the immersion 60 frames before so I'm going to use

[01:56:18]   them power this up and this is now a new camera this is the Mobula 6 2024 camera that I have not tested before so let's try it real quick this will just take a

[01:56:35]   second so all I need to do is hit record on the immersion RC power play and then I'm just going to move my hand in front and that's it that's all I need to do and now I will pull the memory

[01:56:46]   card turn everything off and we'll take a quick look at that footage from a second ago I just pulled that card without ejecting it oh well right let's

[01:57:07]   see and here we go all right so let's see if so if I go to 50% speed realistically I have to go frame by frame I can't really tell it kind of looks like it might be in 60 frames

[01:57:30]   hold on let me let me pull up Premiere this is the best way of doing it because you can go frame by frame this will be interesting if this is 60 frames that's wild that the

[01:57:43]   that the bi camera only operates in 30 frames don't ask me things all right so here's what we can do just take this file Pull It in here towards the end and then we're going to come in here

[01:58:02]   we're going to slow it down I realized that media encoder is launching every single time I pull a clip into the timeline so that's the new Premiere setup is every time you pull a

[01:58:18]   clip into the timeline it launches nope 30 frames see it frame frame frame frame frame frame frame you can hear me hitting the arrow forward right so 30 frames that

[01:58:40]   stinks that stinks how the hell I just me just prove to you guys and myself that there is I have had analog footage at 60 frames a second if I come in here and go back

[01:59:05]   to 2023 towards the end of the year this is all Avatar stuff that's not what I want there we go that's all Avatar stuff where's the here we go all right so this is

[01:59:22]    this is footage from the immersion RC power play so if I drop this in here come back stop it speed duration don't reopen 50% all right let's see what the

[01:59:46]   [@$#%] I need something with motion come on really is the whole thing just me sitting on the ground maybe maybe it is what is what what is happening is I'm sitting on the

[02:00:13]   ground this entire file oh there we go there we go there you go that's 60 frames my friends listen so it is possible I just got to figure out where it's falling apart is it the

[02:00:37]   cameras is the is the CX ant light a magical camera that gives me 60 frames per second and the rest of these cameras don't what the hell I mean it's and it looks way different

[02:01:02]   Jesus whatever you just saw it what the hell man get rid of these two just so that it doesn't freak out on me no don't save very weird very very very weird I don't get it man I really don't

[02:01:31]   I I I I hope it's not these actually I don't care I I I don't care if it's the the VTX in these HappyModel boards I will gladly buy another one of these t-motor aios if it if

[02:01:50]   that's what it takes to get 60 frames a second it's a little bit heavy and I don't love that the VTX failed and started outputting really dark video but whatever it's a it's an an AIO

[02:02:02]   that's currently available and if it's the 60 frame per second AIO whatever at least I figured it out I just I need to figure it out this is driving me mad I was that's one of the things I was

[02:02:14]   really excited about with analog flight footage from chasing the drift cars is that I thought it would all be 60 frames per second I was like man that's like really cool that's really really nice

[02:02:27]   to what the hell why man wake and bake says I run those RC and power 22,000 KV 102 Motors on flywoo Firefly on 2S on the X12 no motor limit and it screams I'll say it's 44,000

[02:03:03]   KV is what you're Jesus Christ man that is ridiculous 661 says tiny whoop has 300mah 2S BT 3.0 lipos I thought that I'd seen them how the hell does oh cuz they're tiny whoop

[02:03:22]   branded aren't they they're not BetaFPV batteries let's see what they weigh 2S 300mah that looks like just regular old BT 2.0 though is there a BT

[02:03:38]   3.0 well wait no it can't be bt2.0 if it's 2S well yes it can but that's BT 3.0 what do they weigh Jesse tell me tell me oh there we go 15.1 all right now we're talking now we're oh and

[02:03:58]   look hey even shows you how to how to modify the that's a typo it should be Mobula 7 V4 frame interesting these are the parts of the frame that break anyway very

[02:04:17]   cool all right so we've got got the lightweight battery we've got frames that it'll fit in it's not that lightweight of a battery though in In fairness 15 hold

[02:04:41]   on what's this I I keep forgetting what this 1S 450 weighs 1 s 450 weighs 12.3 grams so it's three extra Gams I'm willing to deal with three extra Gams for

[02:04:56]   sure okay good call thank you wake and bake or 661 rather okay I just need to leave this opened I I'll I'll snag a couple of these batteries three extra grams is

[02:05:15]   is that's fine that's fine we need to change frames I wonder if I can I wonder if the meteor 75 airf frame this changes everything this allows us to stay away from the meteor 75 Pro frame it

[02:05:36]   looks like I'll need to take it take these off of the 75 air frames which is kind of a bummer but it's not the end of the world the USB

[02:05:50]   port the USB port the the if if I try to do the same thing and remove these things the USB port will hit the the battery and we can't have that so I'll have to change off of this

[02:06:02]   Frame which will add like an extra gram but so we'll add like four grams total but the performance of 2S is mindblowing compared to 1S so I will

[02:06:21]   maybe I'll leave the motors and I'll just motor scale them down to like 60% for right now that'll help me dial in the KV and because One S just ain't cutting it there there there's just not

[02:06:40]   there are not Motors that are that are high K enough for a 1S WalkSnail 75mm freestyle nonc whoop flying build V Pro says and you'll have to tape two new batteries together to keep them

[02:06:55]   at the same condition right not really no I've run the double battery setup on the tiny lifters for hundreds of batteries and it's I mean if if you over dis it's fine we over

[02:07:10]   discharge these batteries at random running them in the 65mm whoop so it's whatever parkour gu says seems like BT 3.0 is so nice but just not far enough along to be worth the

[02:07:22]   swap if if now that I see that there's some 300s available I'm if there were only those heavy ass 450s I I would agree with you but oh and look Jesse also puts right

[02:07:38]   here compatible frames this is this is one of the many reasons that Jesse is the goddamn best is that he puts info like this into his descriptions 75x V2 beta 75x Mobula 7v4 with a minor mod

[02:07:53]   even the meteor 85 frame damn very cool if you were going to go up to the meteor 85 frame you should probably stay with the 2S 450s though he doesn't mention Mobula 7

[02:08:07]   V3 but I have both of those I just had both of those frames here they are I can kind of eyeball it and tell you guys if I think it will

[02:08:23]   work I don't even need to eyeball it I can just hold them up like this so that's going to remove that part no I think the V3 frame is actually going to be too tall the battery Bay is

[02:08:34]   going to be too tall the battery is going to wobble around in there so I guess I'm going to be modifying the this frame for it I hope it doesn't I hope I don't run into issues with it hitting the

[02:08:47]    the the USB port though I think it's going to hit the USB port do I have a build in hold on tell right now well I mean I'm still kind of speculation but oh no it's going to hit the USB port what the

[02:09:13]   hell you can't cut those things off the USB port's all up in there well I'm going to buy the batteries and I'll see if I can figure out what frame to get it

[02:09:28]   in I mean it looks like there's there's a couple other options I'll I'll snag as many of these frames as I can beta 75x V2 beta 75x those are the ones that it looks like

[02:09:44]   I'll be buying does he have them bet 75x so he sell those frames and then bet X he sell that one as well there's the V2 again cool all right so we'll have a couple

[02:10:14]   different frames to try it out on I guess I might as well snag one of the 450s as well but I'll get two of the 300s cool what's next 661 thanks again brother V we

[02:10:38]   got that trippy says currently building my first micro and I got no clue why it's not lifting I can feel the wind being pushed down when arming but it's not flying I'm sure the

[02:10:49]   direction and props are on right I I think that you think you're sure that the direction and the props are on right but if it's not taken off they can't be unless it doesn't make

[02:11:03]   enough power to lift itself but that is very rare it's is it's actually really hard work to put together a quad that doesn't have enough thrust to at least get it off the ground

[02:11:18]   a little bit so 99% of that this is not me insulting your intelligence trippy at all this happens every single day all day long is that people say I'm sure that the direction and the props

[02:11:31]   are on right and then when you triple check it's not it's kind of the only way most of these rigs have a power to weight ratio of like 6:1 all the way up to 10:1 so to build something that has

[02:11:48]   less than a one: one power to weight ratio is really really hard almost impossible so 99.9% of builds 99.999999999% of builds make enough power to at least get off the ground a

[02:12:05]   little bit so you you there and really like as long as it's not oscillating or doing even if it's oscillating it's going to take off on its own there there's there's a

[02:12:18]   there's a motor spinning the wrong direction or there's a propeller that's on wrong it's has to be blind pyro says maybe we need 30,000 KV 102s I would kill a kitten for that county

[02:12:31]   FPV says my cus has the Dual 1S BT 2.0 connectors with 450 and 1103 11,000 KV and it's got plenty of juice but it's an 885mm rig 2S we don't have to run as high of a KV on 2s

[02:12:49]   because 2S is so much more efficient that's why like those of you that are doing 2S 22,000 KV I'm likeyall [@$#%] crazy parkour guy says how would you best explain anti-gravity

[02:13:03]   in BetaFlight and how do I find what to set it to nine times out of 10 you want to leave it alone the the the the default anti-gravity setting is usually perfect the little question

[02:13:18]   mark to the right of it has a really good explanation of what anti-gravity does basically it boosts the p and I gains depending on what version of BetaFlight you're in early days

[02:13:31]   anti-gravity only boosted the eye gains as of 4.3 maybe 4.4 it started to boost the P gain and the I gain whenever you move the throttle stick quickly so up or down it boosts the P Andi games to ey

[02:13:53]   gains to prevent from the little Bobble that you can sometimes get from the motors spinning up or slowing down at slightly different rates and or there's an AER there's some aerodynamic

[02:14:05]   weirdness that happens when you've got the rig that's accelerating through the air and all four Motors are cranking really hard and then all of a sudden the motors just stop and there's there

[02:14:18]   like namely if your center of gravity is not quite right if your center of gravity is a little bit too far forward or rearward that side of the Quad can like kind of want to put when when you

[02:14:31]   chop the throttle that side of the the rig will have a little bit more momentum and it can do a little Bobble we call them throttle chop bobbles or throes and anti-gravity just

[02:14:42]   completely gets rid of them anti-gravity is one of the things that BetaFlight has that none of the other firmwares have that's a really big deal there's a bunch of other things that are

[02:14:53]   the same kind of thing but anti-gravity is is amazing we back before anti-gravity we troubleshot that ugly Bobble by doing something every single time we chop the throttle so you most OG

[02:15:11]   Pilots you'll notice they never just go full throttle and then chop the throttle they always go full throttle and then as they're chopping the throttle you'll pitch forward you'll pitch back you'll

[02:15:21]   roll right you'll roll left you don't usually yaw but that's a that's a cover up cuz it looks terrible like you you jump off the throttle and the whole thing it just looks super

[02:15:33]   unprofessional but with anti-gravity now you don't need to do that stuff most of us still do Peno fre says what do you think of stf PV 2203 or 2604 Motors what are they good for 2

[02:15:52]   203 is not that crazy 3 6 9 12 Jesus that is pretty nuts so that's a 7:1 ratio of width to height 2604 is like 6 and a half to one those Motors are good for staying cool

[02:16:19]   the The Wider the motor the the the the wider that ratio of width to height is the cooler that motor is going to run at all times the problem is that you don't gain much power from making the

[02:16:35]   motor wider but you do gain a bunch of weight so those really really really wide Motors typically for what the motor weighs don't make nearly as much power as like so

[02:16:50]   like you comp compare like the 2604 to like a 2004 the 2004 is going to be way lighter and it's not going to make that much less power it is going to get a little bit warmer though so these really

[02:17:06]   really really wide Motors they're going to be cool at all times you could sit Full Throttle and they'll stay cool so that's what they're good for unfortunately though it's not most

[02:17:18]   people don't need motors to run that cool they they've gone like too far 5 to one is the the stopping point for for most folks you really don't need to go to six to1 or 7 to one unless you've got

[02:17:32]   some weird scenario where you're like blasting the throttle all the time and just sitting at like really high throttle values that's what those Motors would do better than than

[02:17:43]   others frer says my 26 gram all up weight ultimate tiny whoop I think that's utw with 36,000 KV got flown outside in the wind and it did all right for a 65mm the the 65s I mean they they do

[02:18:02]   get they do get pushed but when you've got 36,000 KV you can point it into the wind and just beat the hell out of the wind what gets me though is that when you're trying to hit like a power

[02:18:16]   Loop under a thing that is getting C CR wind it just blows you all over the damn place you can't always just nose it into the wind or tail it into the wind right like if they if you're trying to

[02:18:30]   fly a jungle gym there's it's annoying it can get annoying frejo putting the patreon link into the into the chat thank you dude gr FPV says can I send you a set of

[02:18:43]   the hype train dime 102 24000s to play with t-motor makes them and I'm liking them more than the RC and powers for 75mm free style if you send them to me with with motor connectors on them I'll

[02:18:58]   try them if I have to direct solder them I won't because I already bought a set I already bought a set and assuming that they would have motor connectors and I sold them when they didn't

[02:19:11]    I I I'm just I'm not here's the other thing 24,000 KV is not high enough to for me to put all that work in and then for me to tell all you guys here you go here's the best

[02:19:28]   option but it's a complete nightmare the the BetaFPV 1102 but then you're just going to break them what I was going to say is that the BetaFPV 1102 2200s they make a good chunk of extra

[02:19:44]   power versus the 102 22,000 that same chunk of extra power is probably what you'll get from the the hype train dimes but I I do not I'm never going to recommend tiny

[02:20:00]   whoop Motors that force you to direct solder them it's just stupid and but if they're made by t-motor maybe the motor shafts are stronger but like even on these things the the

[02:20:17]   the BetaFPV 1102s are still not enough like so that 102 24,000 is not enough I would need 26,000 or 28,000 to Really wake the 102s up enough for the for these WalkSnail

[02:20:35]   freestyle builds so if you're willing to send them with connectors I will plug them in and screw them down and fly them on a on a live stream and crash them a little bit outside of

[02:20:48]   the jungle gym and then send them back or what whatever but it's not a motor that I'm going to recommend like I'll do it basically for you grus but it's I'm just never going to recommend a

[02:21:01]   motor a tiny whoop motor that you have to direct solder it's just stupid it's too difficult of a soldering job for most people to do and you're not going to want to crash

[02:21:11]   the rig because it's a pain in the ass to S to direct side of the motors up I I'm just so against that Alexander Lewis Hughes says how did those frames hold up I broke

[02:21:22]   black one second battery today on analog what frames how did what frames hold up trippy says I'm getting a weird buzzing sound coming from your quad after plugging a battery in

[02:21:36]    Weir buzzing coming from my quad after plugging a battery in I need a lot I have no idea I need a lot more to go on to troubleshoot that happened after messing with idle speed and ESC

[02:21:54]   configurator I have no clue brother sorry put it put it back undo whatever you did and see if that fixes it that that's the first troubleshooting step that you need to go through

[02:22:07]   Walter says can you not measure it in a slot with shim set bend it back even I have no idea what we're talking about Walter sorry brother that was at 4:27 I don't know what we're talking

[02:22:21]   about an hour ago I apologize fre loo says would you say that toes bad Motors oh would you say that those bad Motors felt like a back of smashed assol indeed they did indeed Walter says

[02:22:41]    you're sad wish you better I hope it's only about drones was I talking about being sad at 4:35 chunar thanks for the subscription brother Walter also says it's like

[02:22:59]   weed homeg growers they get allg allergic for hay fever oh we were talking about allergies okay got it got it got it got it got it country FPV says Oscar leang site I believe has a chart for

[02:23:15]   motor and props that's pretty cool I've never seen that on there I would love to see that put a link to that in in the in our Discord if you don't mind Walter says adultery is not what I

[02:23:27]   mean no I learned something I learned something of you the mistakes I made in history YouTube just did the thing God damn you trippy says C or anyone reason why my VTX could be buzzing when

[02:23:47]   I plug a battery in but not the USB trippy you need to tell us like in order for us to troubleshoot stuff with these infinitely confusing little drones through the internet you need to give us

[02:23:59]   a lot more than just like one quick sentence you need to tell us like all of the parts all of the pieces where are you at in the build process when did the behavior start what have you done to

[02:24:10]   change it like you need to write a paragraph if if if any of us are going to have any chance at at troubleshooting especially with like this is a weird thing so you need

[02:24:21]   to overe explain and give us tons and tons and tons of info and the history of it and all that if if we're going to have any chance to figure that out sorry brother troubleshooting

[02:24:31]   these things through the internet is infinitely difficult even if it's an easy problem what you're describing as a super difficult very weird issue trippy says just checked and I believe

[02:24:41]   it's my motor buzzing it was also not spinning when turning it up on BetaFlight keep telling us more we need way more to than that to troubleshoot it Bora says just a short thank you

[02:24:57]   for my U angle BT 2.0 connector recommendation I used to solder my own but these are super sweet you're certainly welcome they're really nice really really really nice hockey

[02:25:06]   round says are you getting 60 frames per second with the HD zero goggles DVR no no I've never gotten 60 well the file that it's saving is 60 frames per second but then the video with same

[02:25:23]   thing as the power play that we tested just now but then when you go and you look at the actual footage there are only 30 frames of footage every other frame is a duplicate frame exactly like

[02:25:35]   what we just saw so it's either the VTX or the camera I have never run this aiio with the cadx ant camera through the HD Z goggles so for all I know with this combination the HD zero

[02:25:55]   goggles will give me 60 actual frames I just don't know that quite yet the setup that I had when I collected that 60 frame per second video was the fat shark goggles so I'm testing with the

[02:26:11]   power play so I'm testing that first because I know that those goggles and that immersion RC power play will do it I just need to find a camera and potentially AO that will also do it

[02:26:25]   so the search continues unfortunately crom says the BetaFPV 1S 12vt AIO V3 which actually does 2S doesn't have a USB port just a tiny jst plug for USB so it might oh oh okay

[02:26:46]   interesting I'm going to sneak or Y either or it's fine BetaFPV is this it let's see onboard elrs that's great look at that no USB port so I guess they're using this guy

[02:27:16]   and then they give you a little dong dongle huh it says 1S that freaks me out there you go 1S or 2S I would really rather find something that's like 2S to 3s or 1S to

[02:27:38]   3s but it does have 12 amp fets the problem is the fets aren't what explode the the the regulators and just like the rest of the aiio explodes a lot of times when they're 1 s 2S and you run

[02:27:51]   them on 2S but man this thing not having a USB port is really cool does tiny whoop sell it no way well they're all in stock it looks like like HD only no OSD

[02:28:24]   chip that's fine all right well the the tiny whoop.com shopping cart just continues to get bigger dude great suggestion very very cool oh [@$#%] I well it looks like

[02:28:44]   it's looks like the motor plugs you can solder the motor plugs to it which is cool I think I have one extra set of them hi buddy what was that you made that noise and then you

[02:28:59]   put your little head down you okay you hurt yourself come here come here want to read chat comments with me buddy we're getting caught up no don't eat the tiny woop don't eat anything you

[02:29:15]   stink dude oh you smell like outside which is disgusting you smell like a dog that's been outside which is disgusting the outside smells okay oh stop it

[02:29:36]   stop Christopher conr says I sent the video no no okay Jesus Christ Christ here we go can you guys hear him trotting around the room Christopher conr says I sent the video on how to attach remote ID

[02:30:05]   without bolts I said this early forgot at you to make it stand out sorry I think Chris sent me an email maybe talking about a I believe it's a 3D printed remote ID holder that I think

[02:30:26]   it slides onto the battery strap so that you can move it between rigs Chris where where's that video so that people can check it out Jesus

[02:30:50]   don't stop now buddy I just got the there you go oh nope he's gone he just ran up the stairs I'm not personally interested in remote ID it can go to hell as far as I'm concerned maybe eventually I will

[02:31:05]   be but for the moment I'm not I'm not playing remote ID ball they can go to hell but for anybody that is Chris post it on the Discord C fpv.one post it in general nonsense and then

[02:31:22]   people can check it out he's back he brought another toy just in case the toy was the problem jayhind says you mentioned on a 2S it's not a good idea to use 22,000 KV would a 18,000 KV the limit 18,000 KV

[02:31:45]   would be a lot more realistic than 22,000 18 ,000 KV you could motor limmit's to like 80% and that would bring you to the equivalent of like 15,000 KB I think and that's that's

[02:32:03]   much more realist realistic there's a bunch of guys doing it with 22,000 so it seems like you might be okay but I don't know it just creeps me out man it's just so much

[02:32:16]   RPM maybe it's fine though you never know where we at here parkour guy says would you consider using uncashed for Fiverr unfortunately not I am a Mac guy it feels a lot better than veloc drone so I

[02:32:43]   can have more of a real feel for how I do these tricks for you to critique the I've actually heard the opposite I I've heard that veloc drone is is still more realistic in terms of physics than

[02:32:58]   uncashed but un crashed looks way better it's I mean I can't because I'm on Mac so the answer is unfortunately no but the the the physics of the Sim are actually not now that I think about it

[02:33:20]   for for the instructional work that I'm doing the physics for the Sim don't really matter as much I'm looking at your stick inputs and I'm troubleshooting the things that you're

[02:33:32]   doing wrong you're not picking the throttle up early enough you're you're you're pushing into yaw when when you raise or lower the throttle stuff and the physics really have

[02:33:45]   nothing to do with that so from like an instructional standpoint Better or Worse physics actually technically don't really matter i' never really thought about that I

[02:33:57]   I've I've always suggested veloc drone over liftoff because the physics are better and you should run the Sim with the best physics anyway because you you want to have the muscle memory that

[02:34:10]   you're going to build in the simulator to be as close as possible it'll never be identical but as close as possible to Real World your real World muscle memory so it does make sense to

[02:34:23]   use a SIM that's as close as possible but for for instructional purposes I really don't think it actually matters because I'm correcting what you're doing wrong on

[02:34:36]   the sticks I could care less what actually happens to the quad in in the simulator for me it's about cleaning up your stick inputs because that's where it all starts right so

[02:34:49]   never really thought through that but it doesn't matter it makes sense to use the Sim that has the best physics because that's going to help you in the real world so but I think you're

[02:35:00]   the first person that has that that thinks that the UNC crashed physics are better than than veloc drone that's interesting maybe they are everybody flies a totally different rig

[02:35:12]    so if the the specific rig that you fly is closer to uncashed then definitely use un crashed but everybody I've talked to still says that veloc drone is the king in terms of physics gr FPV says

[02:35:28]   understood thanks for the feedback you're certainly welcome Christopher conr says I bought a tiny whoop from rorai it's fun but direct soldered I had to fix it what a pain yep and every time

[02:35:38]   you have to fix it's that much of a pain so initially when you're flying it you're going to fly up hard because you're not going to be thinking about it unless you've been listening to

[02:35:46]   me then you're going to be thinking about it the first time you break it and it's a pain in the ass to fix you're going to be like Jesus this sucks and then from then on you're going to fly it

[02:35:54]   a little bit more careful the next time you break it you're going to fly it even more careful the next time you break it you're going to fly it even more careful eventually it's just going to sit on the

[02:36:01]   [@$#%] shelf because it's a pain in the ass and every couple of times you fly it blows up and it takes an hour to fix it instead of plug based Motors where it's like a three minute fix and you're

[02:36:12]   back up in the air and it's like [@$#%] it Fly this thing hard so Alexander Lewis H says meteor 75 airframe I I have no idea what that's in reference to brother sorry country

[02:36:27]   FPV is it County it's County FPV sorry he says sent link to live chat on Discord what is it a link to County yamur says that BetaFPV 1 to 2S AIO board comes with the

[02:36:44]   plugs awesome to solder to solder on in the Box too love it crom says regarding he's back he's got yet another toy he's got my favorite toy this time keep running around buddy run that toy around come on

[02:37:02]   people want to see let's go run oh no he doesn't have it here I'll throw it over for him to play with it's as big as him look at him struggle with this toy I love it shake

[02:37:13]   it buddy shake that toy do the oh I don't want you go away go away I don't love you that's a lie I love you very much buddy play with that toy over there go ahead there you

[02:37:33]   go good boy crom says regarding regarding the BetaFPV AO board okay we got that it also runs 8K pit Loop for what it's worth on the at 32 version what's the at32

[02:37:53]   version Walter said Walter says get a camera on Teddy's head it would just Bounce Around parkour guy says would you rather become a Facebook Ambassador or a remote ID

[02:38:10]   Ambassador remote ID Ambassador Facebook can burn in hell county FPV says I sent table to General 2 so everyone can see it okay oh oh oh the link to Oscar

[02:38:31]   leang very cool very cool let me me take a look let's see how good of a job Oscar did with this okay so there's immediately a problem 31 mm propellers on an o 803 is is no that's way

[02:38:52]   too big but that's not a egregious err he's got 603 702 and 802 those are the ones for sure and I he called out 31 millimeter triblade that's great well now I now we've got

[02:39:10]   some problems he does not have in the 31 mm Tri byblade section he does not have 7 2 is called out and that's a big problem this should be 603 702 I think this shouldn't even have 802

[02:39:27]   but oh this is a mess this is a mess is this old no this is from January of this year I don't know the mess is is a bit much but he's leaving a lot of stuff out he's also got 2S called

[02:39:48]   out for 31 m props that's no you don't want to do that not to mention that there's no frames that you can actually do this with so not not not great in here but hopefully

[02:40:05]   it gets better let's see 40 mm 1.6 3s you're not going to really do it on 3s the battery weight is going to be so ridiculous but let's just ignore that

[02:40:25]   triblade okay this is pretty good 802 102 1102 good he's got the KV not quite high enough here but that's okay let's get up a little bit bigger 2 and a half inch 2s

[02:40:41]   1104 oh well no this is well here we're good we're 1304 and 1404 on fors that's great but I mean they should also be on 3s maybe what he's saying is that there are no Motors

[02:41:03]   that are a high enough KV but I think there actually are for the record this is really difficult to do making a chart like this is almost impossible because

[02:41:20]   it like there's there's tiny whoops there's toothpicks there's School Bus style like full fully camera protected caged In freestyle Rigs and then there's rigs that are carrying HD cameras so

[02:41:37]   to do a chart like this properly it becomes absolutely massive because you get for every single propeller size and every single for for each propeller size you've again

[02:41:52]   got two or three different voltages and then in each one of those you've got Ultra lightweight regular lightweight freestyle carrying an HD camera so for for each propeller size it branches

[02:42:08]   three times and then it branches four times so that's 4 8 12 that's like minimum 24 different combinations per propeller size and then you've got bblades Tri blades and quad

[02:42:26]   blades so 24 goes to minimum 48 so for every for 1.6 in you've got minimum 28 48 different line what I mean this is impossible to do which is why I've never done it

[02:42:46]    he's actually done a half decent job but it's just this is just impossible this is impossible to do but this will probably get you somewhere in the

[02:43:00]   ballpark freestyle 4S see no this has not going well well no this is 4 in okay no no I thought this was 3in 3-in triblade let's see oh God no no no no no that will not

[02:43:16]   have enough K that will not have enough RPM 5,000 KV on 2S on 3 in no that that ain't going to work no no no no for God's sakes no getting better 1506 but where the

[02:43:38]   hell are the 144s 1404 is the best motor for 4S freestyle 3in triblade this is this is tough th this is almost impossible to do this is probably the best version

[02:43:58]   of somebody trying to do this that's ever been made but but then he's got 144s in 3inch cop no 1404 is too small for a three a 3-inch cop this is kind of all over the

[02:44:14]   place but I guess it'll maybe get you started a little bit I think 5 in section should be pretty easy 2306 2207 and then just a bunch of different variations 2207.5 230 so that this

[02:44:35]   is this but 5 in is easy to do it's much more difficult to do this in the micro section because nobody has has done even I haven't done enough different builds with enough different

[02:44:48]   Motors to completely nail all this stuff down but like I said he I I I bet you this is the best version of a chart like this that's ever been done so

[02:45:02]    props to him for trying for even attempting to do this but this is an impossible job and the other problem with doing this is as soon as you make as soon as you spend the 15 20 30 50

[02:45:17]   hours whatever it takes to do this 14 in the time that it took you to do it 14 New Motors got introduced with different KVs higher KVs lower KVs different motor sizes and your your a chunkier

[02:45:31]   list is completely out of date or a whole bunch of these motors got discontinued and are no longer available so this is super hard to do I I so many people have asked me to do this

[02:45:45]   and I've always said no because it's just it's just if you put all the time in it's immediately out of date and it's just so difficult to do but that's cool that he tried the the and that's

[02:45:59]   going to get you pointed in the right direction for sure but there are some glaring glaring sort of problems that I found in four seconds of looking through that thing so that that's but again

[02:46:09]   that's just that's just an impossible job to do that he is a saint for even trying it verua says can't you just solder some connectors onto your modular 6 so that you don't have to

[02:46:25]   keep what's a modul oh Mobula 6 can't you just solder some connectors on your Mobula 6 you don't have to I don't know where you were going with that veritus weasel but all of

[02:46:39]   the Mobula 6es already have connectors on them so they're all good to go I only buy aios that have motor connectors I think maybe that's I'm I think maybe that's where you were going were were

[02:46:54]   you talking about another kind of connector they also have camera connectors were you maybe talking about a battery connector it already has a b a battery connector though I don't

[02:47:07]   know where you were going with that bad for Life says you tried 40 mm Tri blades on 102 yet yep we did it the most recent stream and a couple streams before that and I've done it a million

[02:47:18]   times over the years seems like 0802 is enough motor to swing 40 mm by blades if the rig is light enough absolutely the the analog Jungle Gym Bashers are amazing on 802 27,000 KB Motors as soon

[02:47:36]   as you add the extra six gram for HD the 802s overheat and they're and they suck they're really bad I didn't notice it when I was doing all of the testing on the streams flying them

[02:47:49]   inside the house but as soon as I got outside it they it's just nowhere near a big enough motor Christopher conr says my dad works for FAA he would kick the [@$#%] out of me if I didn't have

[02:48:01]   it oh nice that's a good reason to have it poor K guy says how about the 40,000 K oh oh 40,000 KB Motors on the 75mm WalkSnail builds so the 40,000 KV Motors are

[02:48:17]   0702 and 07 72 is way way way too small for any 75mm WalkSnail build especially the 75mm WalkSnail build those Motors would probably overheat at a hover so that's the that's it

[02:48:34]   it's not again we talked about this earlier you always have to remember with motors that it's not it's never just about one thing motors have to have the right stator size the right KV

[02:48:49]    the right well it's not just that even you have to have a motor stator that is big enough to have enough grunt to turn the propeller it also has to be wide enough

[02:49:04]   to stay cool then you have to have a high enough KV to turn whichever propeller you're going to pick fast enough and those are the three main intersections that that have to happen

[02:49:19]   basically that's the simplest I can possibly make it's that's like a half an hour conversation but BL o55 says you mentioned the 1404 with 3-in Tri blades on 4S I was thinking

[02:49:32]   about using the RC and power smoks plus 1404 2750 with GemFan hurricane 3023 blades on 4S 2050 KV is a 6S KV only for so if if you're on 6s which I don't well you're not you're on 4S

[02:49:47]   for 4S you need to be absolute bare minimum 4,000 KV what you really want is 45 or 4600 KV for 3in tri blades so those Motors won't work but luckily if you're going to go 1404 there

[02:50:02]   is one 1404 motor that demolishes the rest which is the t-motor 4600 KV there's no reason to run any other 1404 motor in all of the motor testing that I've seen from multiple people that

[02:50:16]   t-motor just shits on everything I don't think I've ever seen those RC and power smokes tested but again that KV is way too low for 4S anyway so it doesn't really matter parkour guy says

[02:50:28]   2024 Mobula 6 had Direct soldered Motors can you install aftermarket connectors on it you cannot they spaced the the motor pads out too far and you cannot use the the motor connectors so

[02:50:41]   you're stuck direct soldering Motors luckily HappyModel has told me that they will have well it's on the the HD g0 version well that doesn't have a VTX built in though so never mind

[02:50:55]   HappyModel has told me that they will make an analog 2024 Mobula 6 AO with connectors on it's not available yet I don't know when it will be available but it'll be available at some point

[02:51:06]   crom says you asked what at32 was for the BetaFlight AO they made the AO with two different chips the normal f405 and the new oh okay okay so it's a it's processor chip got it but flight

[02:51:21]   4.5 can Flash them and they're great very cool that's right at32 is the the cheaper processor chip Christopher conr says I got this with a I got this with a quad VTX G RC rad

[02:51:39]   one watt Jesus Christ KX retail 2 should I sell it or leave it in a drawer it's brand new well one I I believe one watt vtx's are completely not allowed I maybe one watt

[02:51:55]   is the limit I forget what it is but look it up if the if that one watt VTX is full-blown illegal and your dad works for the FP FAA I would get rid of it should i s little off leave it dra

[02:52:12]   brand new I don't have goggles for it sounds so I guess you don't have analog goggles I mean it depends if if you think you might go analog down the road maybe hang on to it

[02:52:25]   if you don't think you're ever going to go analog just move it along you can always Reby it Christopher conr also says could you add a wire with female end to the motherboard if the spacing

[02:52:38]   is too far as I can't see because YouTube puts this stupid [@$#%] heart in the bottom right corner I can't see as wa to do I don't know what that means but blame YouTube you can

[02:52:54]   absolutely I've done that before when I was testing Motors on the tiny lifters I believe it's a pain in the ass all of those connectors have PVC insulated wires connected to them

[02:53:07]   which are just a [@$#%] to work with it's also kind of like a packaging nightmare you've got this big stupid connector hanging off the bottom of the board it can easily get in the way of

[02:53:17]   the battery it's just sort of a mess you can absolutely do it I've done it's a pain in the ass I don't recommend you do it but if you're desperate to do testing like I was you can absolutely

[02:53:29]   do it crom says I have a 1S 3inch toothpick that I love and I run 1202 and a half now I'm going to make a 5 in 1S don't do that just because I want to I'll be CN seeing my own frame thinking

[02:53:44]   1303 11,500 CV thoughts don't do it's won't get off the ground there are not 5in propellers that are light enough those Motors are nowhere near high enough KV it's don't do

[02:54:01]   it's just it's just not going to work if it does take off the ground it's not going to be flyable crom says challenge accepted I mean you can do it but I absolutely

[02:54:14]   guarantee you it's going to be a mess it's if if it takes off it's going to like absolute ass it's just there there are not Motors that exist that are going to that are going to work

[02:54:27]   right there are not propellers that exist that are going to be light enough the I mean if you just want to do it to waste your time you can if if if you want to do something that

[02:54:44]   actually has a chance of working do it on a 4inch platform and then you won't even need to go so crazy with the frame but don't do it on 5 in there's no point in doing it it's

[02:54:57]   you're just going to waste a whole bunch of time do it if if if you really want to go nutso with something like this 4 in there's a there's a remote chance that 4 in might work it probably still

[02:55:11]   isn't 1 s is just not big enough 1S is absolutely maxed out on three and in toothpicks there's no reason to push it any F farther and a and a and a one ass 3in toothpick is incredibly

[02:55:28]   efficient and Incredibly quiet and it's absolutely maxed out to go beyond that you're going to sacrifice like everything so don't do it parkour guy says might have missed

[02:55:42]   this but is there a single 1.5 mm shaft 0702 motor there is not does not exist probably will never exist maybe will exist I've kicked around the idea if it if it happens it'll be driven by me but I I

[02:56:02]   doubt it I that'll get talked about in the future I can't talk about it yet oh look there it is they they give you oh cool they give you both 90° and straight connectors with this board that I'm

[02:56:18]   going to probably lose my mind and try out on for a 2S WalkSnail whoop this is gonna be a nightmare and just I'm caught nope I'm not caught up bl5 says I

[02:56:34]   appreciate the help pyron has t-motor 4600 KV I'll go with those yep th that is the most popular 1404 so you should be able to get those from everywhere if if pyro only has three in

[02:56:47]   stock or something we're going to fly a couple of batteries and then we're going to wrap it up I I think I talked enough about how disappointed I am with these

[02:56:56]   walks nail 75mm IGS let's fly a few batteries and then we'll all go about our Sundays I can't believe it's six o'clock already tedward where have you gone let's fly the rocket ship 36,000 KV Ultimate

[02:57:16]   Freestyle tiny whoop I think that's the last one flew the other day I got a couple of gates set up upstairs actually I'm going to run the HD zero goggles because they will DVR for me and look

[02:57:29]   decent and there's a chance that I'll do some good flying because I'm going to fly a bunch of batteries on the same rig for a change and maybe I'll get dialed in and I can have some fun

[02:57:41]   freestyle 65mm flight footage that I do an actual edit with probably not but you never know first up though I'm going to fly this second RC drift car chasing analog rig that I switched

[02:57:55]   the camera over to the Mobula 6 2024 fxt camera to see if I put the camera in there right side off or possibly upside down Christopher conr says I use the 1S no heat sink I'm assuming that's what

[02:58:14]   you're using yep all right here we go I'll fly a battery on this too just for funsies all right here we go here we go what why is it not why is the VTX oh oh right it's

[02:58:45]    low power until first arm I don't know if this is the right module probably not nope not the right module all right hold on all right you bastard connect come

[02:59:10]   on there it goes all right friends oh boy what's happening here I was flying really weird for a second there now it's fine see okay so this is one of the

[02:59:31]    this is the 0702 analog chasing rig I I forgot I put the 0603 motors on the other one so this one is like a full gram lighter feels way different man it is weird flying zero up tilt so that's

[02:59:48]   oh the camera is also sideways right so if your rig is ever flying really weird right pick an object that is horizontal put it horizontal and if

[03:00:02]   the rig slides to the side your camera is Twisted so let's fix that that that is one of the oh it's way twisted that is one of the things that we're trying to figure out with the with

[03:00:18]   the Batwing Mount is how to keep the cameras from twisting in there and we don't have a great solution yet because we're trying to design it somewhat Universal for a bunch of different

[03:00:29]   cameras but we're working on it we're we're starting to figure it out okay there we go that is now level oh nope it's not level enough look at the ground

[03:00:57]   oh there we go this is also a problem I had with the fractal frames the the the cam man it's still not quite level there we go nope well I mean maybe that's close

[03:01:27]   enough you can just feel it it's just it'll just feel all wrong but the easiest thing to do is just to find something horizontal put it horizontal see it's still we're still off a little bit

[03:01:43]   see how it's sliding sideways so in order for me to hover it this is the main beam of the house right so now it's hovering pretty much dead level and that's not quite level it's

[03:01:58]   pretty close close enough I got to scratch my nose it is weird flying zero up tilt it's fine when I'm chasing the the little RC drift cars but freestyle it's zero up tilt is [@$#%] weird

[03:02:13]   although it does make flying backwards very simple I got try not to crash this rig so I'm flying it a little bit weird I don't even know what motors these are I'm thinking that these are

[03:02:31]   702 30,000 I wonder what it'll be like to do this at zero up tilt it's nothing nothing amazing God it is so much harder to do right-handed orbits but I need to get better at them

[03:02:55]   so all right so the mistake I'm making right now is I'm not putting the the subject on the right far enough right in the frame you want it to be like three quar of the way to the right in the

[03:03:04]   frame there we go that was a had like a good Split Second there whoa okay almost e almost got eaten by the fan this is like the one rig that I don't want to [@$#%] up

[03:03:19]   and put in the fan and Destroy cuz I don't want it to have Jello-O it's a cinematic chasing rig so oh great oh [@$#%] the camera's now sideways oh my God oh God it's so hard to

[03:03:36]   fly all right so this is now level all right so I just need to leave it oh man just need to leave it like this leave it sideways oh this goes against everything I've worked really hard over the years

[03:03:50]   to like level The Horizon all the time oh god look how much it's off ready look at that I'm hovering straight left to right look how bad the the beam of the house is so this needs to get

[03:04:03]   figured out I did this this particular batwing Mount I did think it was a little bit too tight on the camera at first so I heated it up and I stretched the opening out I shouldn't

[03:04:18]   have done that I I I stretched it out way too much and so now the camera can just kind of like freely rotate in here which is not good this is an older batwing Mount though this has been

[03:04:29]   redesigned a bunch of times since and the it sits farther what what we've realized is that it needs to push the camera into the frame to have like a third point of contact we can't just let

[03:04:42]   the camera hover here so the newer versions of this batwing are way better than this one I I just haven't bugged you guys to print me any of the new ones quite yet but

[03:04:54]   we're we're getting there Timmons is I'm the holdup for the record Timmons is way ahead of me I've just been hammered with gigs and [@$#%] so I haven't been able to get back

[03:05:06]   to them nearly enough but this camera did not is not doing 60 frames it doesn't appear or maybe it's the VTX problem but we'll dive into that deeper proper freestyle coming at

[03:05:21]   you what's this battery at 3.7 all right we're cool we are good all right here we go we are going to do some flying and then we're going to split I'm exhausted it's

[03:05:39]   been three hours and I'm hungry as [@$#%] I'm tired and I smell what else what else is there and I think this is now the wrong module again it's not connected yet so

[03:05:57]   this ain't the right module here we go all right come on Els connect you bastard there it is 36,000 KV Ultimate Freestyle tiny whoop here we

[03:06:23]   go ah ah upstairs on a fresh battery what could go wrong my God 36,000 KV is the greatest for these little slightly heavier rigs oh almost got it in there on the first try that's what she said oh

[03:06:48]   third time a charm ready here we go oh we got in but we didn't get out one more time oh [@$#%] I'm trying to do these up I'm trying to do these power Loops up as high as possible to give myself as much

[03:07:06]   time to drop down and spot The Landing landing and then line up the landing normally I would just kind of do it and throw it not quite so high but in order to be be able to drop it down

[03:07:19]   cuz look right it's going to ideally it's going to come all the way up here scrape the ceiling scrape the ceiling scrape the ceiling start to drop now and I don't have that far I only have from

[03:07:32]   here to here right cuz the ceiling kind of drops down a little bit so it's kind of hard to spot this gate and then drop it down into there oh there it is we got it all you

[03:07:44]   got to do is talk about it and then you can immediately do it just talk about how difficult it is and then do it straight away I didn't quite get it on that one what about the other

[03:07:56]   way oh that's easier see how much more time that perfect example see how much more time I had to spot the landing here I'll show it to you again because there's there's much

[03:08:08]   there's much more distance right from up here where it's coming down down to there that's a nice like I don't know 10t whereas this guy is up on the table this table is what 3T tall so I've only

[03:08:20]   got like 7t to spot that Landing so watch watch how much different this looks ah hold on that was ugly see that see how much time I have to kind of spot it and just look down at

[03:08:35]   it versus I did that pretty low ah battery's getting low I gave myself a lot of time by throwing it backwards really far on that one oh God don't get hung up on

[03:09:00]   those see how quick that was I I had to like all at once spot the landing and get it in there and I missed it again this battery is shot though why you got to do me like

[03:09:14]   that newbie drone Gates every time every time time you doomy dirty newbie drone Gates oh yikes wow I just flew right at it instead of like trying to avoid it I was like n I'll just fly right at it it'll

[03:09:30]   be fine the [@$#%] is happening wny is this happening oh there we go oh God this battery is dead for life don't discharge your batteries down that low friends it's bad for

[03:09:52]   him I'm going to put this one right on the charger oh man this is a brand new battery too all right well it was only at 3.4 it might be okay hurt that battery that

[03:10:11]   sucks oh boy the chat is just abs absolutely filled with orange I'm not going to be able to read these comments guys I'm sorry it's too late I'm too hungry we're doing this one last thing and then

[03:10:25]   I'm shutting this down come on back to the next stream and ask whatever questions you got I'm sorry man that there's like 20 minutes worth of questions in the chat if there's that

[03:10:33]   much orange I apologize I I always read all of the chat comments but like I've been going for a long time today already oh you guys see the little bit of Jello-O that these motors have they're just

[03:10:54]   getting old I've abused these motors really good get you some ah man the [@$#%] Tower dive is kicking my ass lately don't you [@$#%] dare get stuck under

[03:11:13]   there yes great Jesus Christ can I not hit every single goddamn thing jeez oh my [@$#%] god this is not my day come on man I this might be it I I I might just this is too much I'm all I'm

[03:11:52]   all hungry and angry hangry and hungry and oh there we go it might not be my day but Jesus Christ I'm hitting some massive stuff oh you son of a

[03:12:31]   [@$#%] how could I do that as a backwards dive but not like regular what is happening with this oh come on stop it no ah I will get this oh my [@$#%] god really I do the impossible Tower dive

[03:12:57]   and then I just crash face first into the bottom of the gate all right this battery's done I'll do one more at least one more oh my God all right anybody that has questions

[03:13:13]   that I'm not answering the the chat here is a bunch bunch of incredibly knowledgeable incredibly helpful people you can trust most of the answers that you get here for the love of God

[03:13:25]   don't trust any answer that you get on Facebook they're literally more than 50% absolutely dead ass wrong answers you can also jump over to my Discord these guys all hang out over there it's

[03:13:38]   a wonderful place full filled with amazing people man these fresh batteries this is a BetaFPV lava ah I tried to make a little correction in the air and I actually

[03:13:55]   shouldn't have I I should have left it zero out why did I have to be sitting here wait a second where's the dog teddy spaghetti where the hell are you why are you not [@$#%]

[03:14:13]   you and now it's all staticy and [@$#%] what's happening did I lose the antenna I think I lost the antenna let's see [@$#%] I lost the antenna all right you really can't

[03:14:34]   fly these things without the antenna the VTX will get too hot and explode perfect opportunity to put on a one of these little ortt

[03:14:45]   antennas sweet let's see if I can do it without pulling the canopy I bet you I can I'm going to put it through the rear hole in the in the canopy and I'm going to Fish It Forward I'll be

[03:15:00]   fine fish it on forward below the below the camera here there's really nothing for you to see I wouldn't be able to show you this while I'm doing it anyway

[03:15:17]    I've now got the antenna stuck or antenna as as Nick Burns pronounces it I think that's like a Midwestern thing I've never heard a pronunciation of it before okay now I

[03:15:34]   just have to nudge it over to get it on top of the UFL and then I got to figure out how to push it down on the UFL that'll be the interesting part oh it's right on top of

[03:15:44]   the UFL there we go yeah I know phone I know I'm usually done streaming in into other things by now come on Snap down you bastard get in there beautiful look at that little ort

[03:16:04]   I've heard good things about these these little ort antennas let's try it let's go find the dog with our new antenna top of the stairs it should no longer break up like crazy yep look at

[03:16:29]   that where are you at little dog oh he's not in here where the hell is he I mean he he's I guess he's out on the back patio with Maggie Maybe

[03:16:49]   oh man I wanted to torment and harass him he could be in with his Alia too that's always a possibility here we go didn't quite have enough throw let's do it this

[03:17:06]   way nope didn't throw it enough there we go oh just got it in let's try again oh that had it but I would have gone in there like kind of blindly man the dog's bowl is right over

[03:17:27]   here it's right here I am tempting fate although maybe it's maybe it doesn't even have any water in it since I'm a bad pet owner more people in this house though now we're

[03:17:43]   talking oh look at that shutter of propw hold on let's fix that well now that the motors are getting beat up I might actually not have any more head head room left in this

[03:17:56]   soon let's leave it there we'll just add one point of Dain that was ugly who battery's done come on home little fella oh one last little wait no look at the B now that

[03:18:30]   I'm flying it downstairs the battery is recovered a little bit but it's fine 3 35 is a good spot to come home it'll bounce back up to like 37 which is close enough to to

[03:18:41]   uh to storage voltage antenna recommendations this ort I really like this ort or the true RC Singularity I'm back in the mood let's fly another one this [@$#%] thing just flies so

[03:18:59]   great I haven't flown in the basement much let's do that let's keep it down here we'll just dodge the we'll Dodge the giant hot dog toy a I hit the second one no don't you

[03:19:13]   dare I'm just going to throw it to try to get out [@$#%] [@$#%] no [@$#%] it land the right side up there we go okay so one thing I don't like about the mega mega mega KV Motors

[03:19:54]   is they make throttle resolution a lot more difficult because there's so much more power in the in the static amount of throttle throw man I have a lot of Expo on here I already have Expo up at

[03:20:08]   40 I am going to go up to 50 though just cuz the motors are so high of a KV but I want to check the the midpoint my midpoint is 38 right now and you see when I fly slow my

[03:20:24]   throttle is only hovering around like 30 31 what happens when I put the nose down and start boogieing 37 I saw 40 so if if the nose is down and I've started really kind of

[03:20:38]   cooking around the room which is like typically how I this is the normal cruising speed that I've got that throttle mid is at is at the right point so that's one of the

[03:20:52]   biggest problems with throttle Expo is it kind of forces if you're going to run a lot of it to Band-Aid these really high KB Motors it's going to kind of lock you in to a cruise speed and so for

[03:21:09]   example if I slow down and I fly around at like 33 34 33 34% throttle the throttle Expo is not working as well which is kind of annoying because when I slow down this is when I

[03:21:24]   want to do these like super Precision like low altitude things so I mean that's just that's one of the places where a lighter weight rig on Lower power motors is going to potentially be better

[03:21:44]   because you won't have to be as extreme on the on the throttle Expo last battery we got our six inyou should as well fly your six batteries today my friends shouldn't

[03:21:57]   just be me that's one of the really intriguing things about the Mobula 6 2024 is that it's so light that you don't need to run these Mega KV Motors and it ends up being a rig that

[03:22:13]   you can more confidently fly like you can like sort of more dynamically fly it you can go really slow or you can put the nose down and start hauling

[03:22:24]   ass chasing the little RC drift cars is cool because they they kind of travel the same Speed Most of the time so you can really nail down the the the throttle Expo gate runs off a little power

[03:22:42]   supply that I have hidden back behind there you can kind of see it there it is there a little black power supply on the bottom that's from Weeble these gates are from Weeble the power

[03:22:57]   supply is from Weeble and I've got it wired up so that the the power supply comes out of here to this XT30 that goes up through the gate up and around up and around up and around up and around and

[03:23:13]   then it [@$#%] you there we go and then I have it coming out of the gate into this wire here and then this wire goes up behind the behind the thing and then it comes out of the OG black

[03:23:34]   Stig helmet and then it comes up here that's how both of these do the same thing I hear my best friend we must go visit oh [@$#%] you where is

[03:23:53]   he I heard his Gallop oh man he's going to be in here isn't he I usually don't go in there because you never know if there's going to be a nude Maggie in there and that only I get nude

[03:24:11]   Maggie sorry friends she knows better though Teddy where are you I will not be going in the bathroom though I bet she's in the bathroom in there I don't usually interact with

[03:24:29]   these chairs at all oh you a there he is there's my buddy my best friend my second best friend Maggie's my best friend we're going to tail him oh hey put this he put the slip on

[03:24:50]   me there he is look at the reaction ready as soon as I move the quad he's going to freak out ready oh hey pre freaked out ready every little movement

[03:25:18]   look at those ears man look at those ears he had enough little [Laughter] boy nothing better nothing better come on bring it bring it dog bring it I can fly backwards I can fly

[03:25:44]   backwards as good as you can run forwards don't give up now he does not like it when it's flying he's big and tough when it's on the [Laughter] [Laughter] ground I love you

[03:26:17]   [Laughter] buddy oh man oh dog you are the greatest I love you so much oh man is this a dog is this a doggy mustache hair in the props maybe he got close on that one all right

[03:26:40]   friends thanks for hanging sorry I didn't get all the way caught up on the on the super chats but there's just too many there's just so many questions in there bring those questions next

[03:26:49]   stream which is tomorrow night at 10:00 what's today April 21st tomorrow night is not a giveaway stream I think next Monday is though but Teddy and I say have an

[03:27:00]   excellent rest of your Sunday here he is in 1080 instead of 640 by 480 say bye buddy or just eat my fingers either or stop it stop chewing on me stop it stop it stop it stop chewing on

[03:27:26]   me stop it there you go no he just went to the other side get out of here oh be good friends my name is Aaron cot Ciotti fv.com if you want to support me if you support me I'll keep doing

[03:27:45]   this forever and we can just hang out until I'm old and dead be good friends here's here's a little bit more of the patreon only edit that

[03:28:04]    that's all I have to say about that I guess join my patreon for three bucks a month and you can check out this alternate version of a really cool drift dead Ed that's going to go up either

[03:28:17]   today or tomorrow or Tuesday be good my friends bye-bye I can't give you the real music to this but you got to you got to pay $3 to really see it bye I love you bye

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