[00:01:38]   what's up friends my name is Aaron Ciotti everybody calls me Ciotti welcome to whoop Wednesday that was the jungle gy Basher back to the ow 802 27000 I flew a bunch today let's just

[00:01:54]   Dive Right on in cuz I I'm not going to say I learned some stuff I I've reminded my myself of a bunch of stuff in terms of motors on 75mm rigs flying outside I probably

[00:02:09]   flew about a dozen batteries outside today again what you were just watching is the jungle gym Basher little bit different it's actually this is actually an old school Mobula 6 so the

[00:02:22]   2g4 aiio the true Jungle Gym Basher uses the X12 AIO and it's just basically a Mobula 71 as with a motor swap but this is a mobula 6 right the mobula the old school mobula 6 is what came with the

[00:02:38]   2g4 that I've moved over to a bigger frame with bigger Motors Mobula 7 V4 frame old school mobula 6 canopy RunCam nan3 ort microv ow 802 27,000 with GemFan 1610 just an awesome combo no these

[00:03:06]   these motors are definitely like the max for the 2g4 no core temperature warnings but you can sense that it's like kind of right there and I've tested these same Motors in 30,000 and 33,000 and they

[00:03:23]   will start to trigger the the core temperature warning so on a 2g4 you can still do a really power this thing is insane for for what it is track down a 2g4 throw this frame on there

[00:03:35]   snag a set of these 1 and half mm shaft 802 27000 and you've got a hell of a Basher that rails around in the front yard backyard through the garden and you can even fly it inside if you

[00:03:49]   want me to I'll put a battery through this in the house tonight these motors though in so as a jungle gym Basher these motors are perfect jungle gym is a small spot you're not like blasting and

[00:04:06]   covering tons of ground you're in like a small location you're using Full Throttle to throw it over these motors are nice and lightweight that's going to make it more durable

[00:04:16]   so great great great great great jungle gy Basher not that great of a ground covering kind of rig which is where the rest of these guys come in also flew a bunch of batteries on this

[00:04:31]   guy same exact camera canopy AO antenna frame props different Motors BetaFPV 1102 22,000 KV Motors The Well here here's some flight footage from this rig let's hit this and let me just mute

[00:04:58]   it test here wait let just listen 2g4 Mobula 7 V4 frame all right tell me more past me 1 s 450s the blue and white ones from beta PVP 1S 450 MH batteries yep yep yep keep going me from

[00:05:14]   four hours ago these are the beta 1102 22000 there you go that's what I wanted to confirm there you guys go I didn't want to start showing you footage that wasn't what I thought it was I don't know if

[00:05:27]   you'll be able to see a difference but but BetaFPV 1102 22,000 KV motor we're comparing two extremes 1102 22,000 KV 802 27,000 KV very different Motors the rest of the build

[00:05:48]   is exactly the same the 1102s this build is 2 something grams heavier 1102 is a much heavier motor than 80 802 of course obviously but very interestingly the 1102s get more

[00:06:05]   runtime in this scenario that you're watching here this is me flying out in front back the house up and down the street covering a bunch of ground look at this flight style right like we're

[00:06:15]   cruising around we're not bashing at a jungle gym we are ripping back and forth across the house up and down the street sure we're doing some some tight technical stuff in here but this

[00:06:30]   front of the house back of the house flying style location to fly I should say it's going to have you're going to be covering a lot of ground and when you're covering a lot of ground you are digging

[00:06:46]   into the throttle you're 50% 55% 60% throttle a lot of the time look at that look look down here in the bottom right corner right you're going to see 50s and 60s and even 7s a lot

[00:07:00]   right this is not how you would fly at a jungle gym this is also not how you would fly inside the house right and so these two rigs are such a cool example of what these different motors do really

[00:07:16]   well the 802 27000 KV rig has more power because it has higher KV Motors and so when you go Full Throttle on this rig it feels better it feels like there's an explosion of power up at the

[00:07:31]   top of the throttle this build on the 1102 22000 when you get to Full Throttle like not a whole hell of a lot happens it's there the power is okay but these motors could really use more KV

[00:07:50]   we're not going to get them with more KV it kind of is what it is we move on in this scenario here where I'm blasting up and down the street covering a lot of ground the 1102s even though this build is over two

[00:08:04]   G heavier which in every other scenario would kill the runtime these 1102s are getting more runtime look at that 3 minutes and 10 3 312 313 314 the

[00:08:15]   reason these are getting more runtime is that they're staying cooler because I'm covering all this ground I'm running 40 50 60% throttle the entire battery that's working the most is really hard

[00:08:31]   and the 1102 Stater is very wide and not very tall right and so these motors are able to stay cooler and magnets work better when they are cooler Mo I mean just think of it this way Motors are

[00:08:45]   more efficient when they're cooler that's a that's a pretty solid thing to kind of just wrap your head around and so this is why there is no best motor you could make a really good case

[00:09:01]   for these igal motors being the best motors for a 75mm tiny whoop you could also make a really good case for these 1102 [@$#%] you could make a case for damn near any motor as the best

[00:09:11]   right because there just there is no best there are specific things that work really well in specific situations and that just that that concept which we talk about a lot but it was

[00:09:26]   really drilled into my head today when I was flying these two guys as well as these two guys which we're going to talk about in a second so there you go if you were going to build a 75

[00:09:37]   millimeter rig like this for inside use and jungle gym bashing 802 27,000 hands down they're lighter they have more Peak power them being lighter it's going to be a more durable platform and

[00:09:53]    it has really like the flight characteristics are awesome because of the KV the fact that it has 27,000 KV when you get to Full Throttle this thing jumps up in the air this is a much more

[00:10:05]   cruisy kind of setup with these 1102 22000 can you do all kinds of stuff with it of course but when you get to the top of the throttle it just doesn't have that like explosion that you get from a

[00:10:19]   lot of the bigger rigs 3s 3-in rigs 5in rigs stuff right but these motors are fantastic and the run time is awesome even when you're char around the front yard so if you're the kind of

[00:10:31]   person that goes out and you fly fast and low I mean you don't have to fly low but if you fly around really fast and you cover a lot of ground and whatnot these 1102s are going to be much better

[00:10:41]   for you and you're going to get like almost an entire extra minute of runtime from these 1102s because they're going to stay cooler when you're flying this thing around at 50 60% throughout of the

[00:10:50]   whole battery these guys if you Cruise slower or if you do more like technical kind of flying right and bashing is a perfect example of that these Ms are going to be great one of

[00:11:03]   the ways that you can kind of figure this out if you don't know what kind of flying you do is to DVR your flight with the with the throttle value in the OSD and just watch it just watch your

[00:11:17]   fly like a normal battery and then just sit there and stare for the entire battery in your DVR at the throttle and if you find yourself hovering around 40 50 60 % throttle for most of the battery

[00:11:32]   bigger wider motor if you see yourself at 20 30 40% throttle which is like what we do inside the house right primarily 802 27,000 makes sense then I flew these two guys first and

[00:11:50]   foremost not also boy oh boy is I I usually fly these two guys to test things between the two of them and then sometimes I'll fly these two guys I've never I don't know if I've never

[00:12:09]   but I haven't I I flew these all four of these today and the weight difference of these BetaFPV setups is like night and day good god let's get some weights actually let's

[00:12:25]   talk actual weights between these two we'll wrap these two guys up get an actual number on the difference in weight and then we'll talk about these and I want to compare the weights

[00:12:33]   between these guys the 802 rig is 23 and a half grams the 1102 version of it is 26 half grams good God man the battery lead is a little bit longer on the 1102 rig 262 wow there's a three G

[00:12:53]   difference that is bananas the 1102s this rig does not feel heavy these motors are grunty great response time it feels totally fine at this weight what I can re what I really

[00:13:09]   notice in terms of all up weight is when I move to these two with the BetaFPV meteor canopy camera external VTX setup and then the cross style BetaFPV AIO these two guys this one has

[00:13:26]   102s on it's is 26 8 gram this has 802s on it's is wow I didn't realize this one's so light 235 gram no [@$#%] 23 and a half grams 23 and a half grams how the hell ah it's the frame this has a meteor

[00:13:46]   75 air frame on it oh and it has lighter weight props and I guess these motors might be a little I'll be damned okay these two wow what a great example of placebo these feel I thought earlier

[00:14:04]   today that these were heavier although what I did not do what I did not do is fly the 0802 mobula based rig and then the 802 meteor based rig I flew these

[00:14:26]   things I flew like the 802 mobula the 1102 mobula and then the 802 BetaFPV and the 102 BetaFPV rig I'll be damned okay Placebo is real my friends no matter how many batteries

[00:14:43]   you've flown it's always there all right so these two guys RC and Power 102 22,000 KV Motors the ones that like everybody says are the God's gift to Mo to 75mm quads

[00:14:57]    and then an old old ass set of HappyModel 802 25000 the the split Bell like two three year old ones it feels so much better like with with these two there's a very clear

[00:15:19]   distinction this does one thing really well this does something else really well on these two guys the 10 the the 102 rig it's doesn't really feel like it does

[00:15:34]   anything better and it wasn't even getting that great it wasn't even getting runtime that was like I was really shocked at how low the run time was to be completely honest

[00:15:47]   I'm really starting to think that the the BetaFPV 1102s are like a lot better than the RC and power 102s 26 eight I think this other one's 26.5 I'll be damned wow there's

[00:16:02]   only like A3 gram difference between these two but holy hell do they fly completely different the the RC and Power 102 2200s are they're kind of nothing special compared to these HappyModel

[00:16:23]   802 25000 these have more power these actually had more runtime that could be in part due to these propellers these are the HQ ultra light by blades which perform unbelievably

[00:16:39]   good the GemFan 1610s are great props but these are insane mainly because of how light they are they're also very fragile but the lightweightness of these props is insane

[00:16:53]   but same kind of deal 22,000 KV 25,000 KV at the top of the throttle the 25,000 KV 802s explode they have a great like amount of peak power the 102 22000 don't they they they cruise around totally

[00:17:10]   fine but something I definitely noticed is that like I the the tune is not like I have the tune cranked up and these motors are just not getting the job done they're just not making enough power

[00:17:25]   for the thing not to prop wash in hard in Maneuvers with dirty air so really not impressed by the the RC and power 102s the next The Next Step though is

[00:17:44]   to I'm going to swap these motors basically so that so again the 802s are bordering on overheating and so the 802 motor should go on the lighter build I thought that that was these but apparently not oh

[00:18:06]   you know what this also has this terrible antenna that's also why this is so light okay no so that's still what I'm doing so the 802s off of this he this is still heavier even though

[00:18:16]   this meteor 75 airframe is a gram lighter than the mobile 7 V4 frame this build is still heavier because of the camera canopy external VTX situation this one's only a little bit lighter

[00:18:28]   because of this janky little antenna which this antenna was horrendously outperformed by the true RC Singularity on this and the micro's on this it was so obvious so much so that I turned the

[00:18:43]   output power on this rig all the way up to 200 Ms just to be able to like I was uncomfortable flying it at 100 Ms on this Ultra Ultra Ultra lightweight antenna and so 802s are going to come

[00:18:57]   off this heavier setup they're going to go onto these more happy modelish mobula setups and then I want to do ju I want to do a little comparison of 802 25,000 on the HQ props

[00:19:12]   HQ ultral light by Blades versus 802 27,000 on the GemFan 1610 so that's kind of next but cool day of kind of flying some stuff back to back and really really kind of

[00:19:29]   driving home the point that a wider motor if if you're cruising around at a higher throttle value because you're going fast or it's a heavy rig or whatever you really do

[00:19:44]   need to have a wider motor for that you want a 102 an 1102 something if you're flying slower and using big bursts of throttle a smaller narrower motor is going to work totally fine

[00:19:58]   for that and so I just wanted to kind of talk about that I I have the flight footage from all the stuff if we have time I'll I'll play some of these back to back but

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[00:25:47]   chat says 1S Savage B has 11,400 KV 122 and a halfs is that too high for 2S it depends on the props you're going to run I wanted to run my 300 MH BT 3.0 on there but this is my first

[00:26:03]   3in toothpick do this motor limit's down to like 60% and then run one of those batteries and see how it is that's like a super Safe Way of answering that question

[00:26:21]    it really depends everybody wants a different amount of power so you might want more or less power than me I don't know what props you're going to run I don't know what the all up

[00:26:30]   weight is going to be on that thing either so there's a lot of variables but super super super easy way to figure that out is just to motor limit the hell out of it and then put

[00:26:40]   it up in the air on that battery and see what it's like as long as you're motor limited I mean also double check that the AI can take 2S you probably already have but obviously check that

[00:26:56]   but once you've realized that hopefully the AIO will take 2S just motor limit weigh the hell down put it up in the air see how it is you can then go into the O into the

[00:27:07]   OSD in your goggles and crank the power up motor limiting is in there on the last live stream I moved motor limiting up and down I think it's in MK PP so get your miscellaneous PP on FPV

[00:27:22]   Luke says this one's a bit late for me in the UK have a great stream hopefully FPV Luke will watch this tomorrow and smile Dexter says in one of your old streams you said that you like

[00:27:33]   the axis 1404 and it's actually smoother than the f404 since it's not that nachy but you always prefer the f404 for C whoops why first of all the f404 is the the t-motor 1404 and I I would not recommend that

[00:27:58]   small of a motor for a cop a cop to me my definition of cop is this 3-in props carries a GoPro this is a cop for I'm just going to say that's not my definition of it that is

[00:28:14]   the definition this is a cop C whoops are designed to carry HD cameras I think what you're talking about are the bo I know what you're talking about are the box frame Rings those aren't cine

[00:28:27]   whoops those those are I don't really know if they have a name but those are are I guess those are just like kind of 3-inch micr brushless rigs in a box frame so let's just make sure

[00:28:42]   that that that that we get our terminology dialed in so that we're not confusing everyone I hope that I didn't say that the axis 1404 is smoother in the air because that's a

[00:28:54]   dumb thing to say and you really kind of can't tell if things are smooth in the air but you never know it's always tempting when you're reviewing any product ever to describe it as smooth

[00:29:07]    hopefully what when I was referring to smoother I was referring to when you spin the motor in your fingers and you can or can't feel the cogin of the motor back in ye olden

[00:29:22]   days the cogin of the motor was really important and it's still important but used to be like incredibly important before our filtering got a lot better with RPM filtering and with the

[00:29:34]   different Dynamic filters and stuff but a motor that has less cogin Les less naess will always have the potential to provide footage with less Jello-O

[00:29:52]    and so I mean [@$#%] I can test it I'll tell you right now this has the t- motors and then there should be something somewhere with the axis Motors it's going to be a rip squeak and it's going

[00:30:15]   to be nope well all be damned did I take those access Motors off that has t- Motors well hell I guess I got rid of them [@$#%] I didn't even realize that I must have gotten rid of those aess

[00:30:39]   Motors one of the reason I got rid of those aess Motors is you can't find them anywhere I think last time I checked newbie drone was the only place that you could get them from and that's just

[00:30:49]   annoying it's just super annoying to have a motor like have only one shop that has it when they go out of stock and as soon as they go out of stock you're going to break one you're screwed

[00:30:59]    so there's that the the t-motor 404s they got a little bit of naess to them they they do but I've used I've flown hundreds if not thousands of batteries through these in scenarios

[00:31:16]   where if there was any Jello it would be a really big problem these are my I use these motors on my live broadcast rigs and it's never been an issue so the amount of Na that these t-motor 144s

[00:31:29]   have is not a problem if you want the absolute smoothest cleanest possible jellof free footage from a 1404 a smoother motor a less NACI motor is technically going to do that but

[00:31:49]    these t-motor 404s you can get like everywhere and that matters it's really does when when you can't get when you can't get replacement motors it sucks that being

[00:32:04]   said you could certainly mix and match it's not a like you if if you cannot do that you should not do that but if you were in a pinch you could absolutely mix and match a t-motor 1404 with an axis

[00:32:22]   1404 and I guarantee you you would not be able to tell a difference in the air if you think you can tell a difference you're lying to yourself it's all Placebo so again you don't want

[00:32:34]   to do that though so to me the the the t-motor 1404 is just a better bet because you can get them from more places and that's that that really does matter but

[00:32:45]   there you go Dexter also says and what do you think of those 144s compared to compared to the RC and power he just listed a whole bunch of other 1404

[00:32:58]    I have no idea I've never run the RC in power foxier Mamba flywoo brother hobby luminer zip 144s I have run The Zing 404s nope not The Zing V2s yep out of all those Motors that you listed I

[00:33:19]   haven't run any of those 144s but Chris Rosser tested a ton of 144s so you're in luck I mean I'll spoil the surprise and tell you that the t- motors came out on

[00:33:39]   top but there it is in the chat there's a link to Chris's video there you go easy button is to get the t-o 1404 they outperformed all the rest and I've I've got loow of battery through

[00:33:58]   and they perform incredibly well so there you go good questions brother foa Panda says why are you running newbie frames instead of the meteor 65 meteor

[00:34:18]   65 when you say meteor 65 so we're talking about frames meteor 65 Frame are you talking about the old school meteor 65 Frame that thing is old news nowadays the FRA the the in order of my preference

[00:34:39]   newbie drone cockroach V3 cockroach light AF I think my third favorite frame would have to be I think my third favorite frame would be a tie between the Weeble crown and

[00:34:56]   the meteor 6 5 Air no no no no no no third favorite frame is going to be the meteor 65 air but only if you run it with the taller Motors like the BetaFPV Motors or the VCI Motors on HappyModel

[00:35:12]   72s the med the the meteor 65 airf Frame sucks it breaks like immediately next fourth favorite frame would then be the wee bed Crown fifth favorite frame would be the old school meteor 65 Frame

[00:35:28]   the OG meteor 65 Frame is very durable but it's also very heavy compared to the other newer frames I forgot about the Mobula 6 2024 frame Mobula 6 2024 frame would be like third or fourth favorite

[00:35:44]   again it has the same problem though you got to run the taller Motors on it also the crown frame and the old school meteor 65 Frame these are all in that same boat when you run Happy Mod

[00:35:57]   model 72s the props sit too low and those frames suffer the the old meteor 65 Frame was so durable though that it didn't matter for the frames durability the Mobula 6 2024 frame is also Ultra

[00:36:11]   durable the meteor 65 a is not and then the crown frame is somewhere in between so with HappyModel Motors all those frames really suffer because the propeller sits too low the duct if

[00:36:24]   this is the duct of the frame the propeller swings down here so when you hit stuff the duct of the frame crushes all the way in it slams into the propeller pushes the propeller out of

[00:36:37]   the way and you can actually even hit the motor on whatever you're slamming into it is a bad situation what you what you really want is if this is the duct of the frame you want the prop to

[00:36:49]   be up in here this way when you slam into something the duct pushes into the propeller and the whole thing moves rather than just the duct having to take all the hit and so there's a

[00:37:02]   whole bunch of info for you on the current generation of 65 mil motor to motor frames the the the Newbie drone cockroach V3 though is amazing the the the ducts are lower so that the

[00:37:18]   HappyModel Motors fit perfectly in there it's extremely lightweight it's extremely durable the light AF frame is also really really really good it's just definitely not as durable and

[00:37:31]   for me durability is like really high on the priorities so I still think I'm a bigger fan of the Cockroach V3 than the L AF but they're both great I mean they're what3 four each so get them

[00:37:47]   both and make up your own mind but the in the last like year or so a lot of frames have come out that are significantly better than the old school media or 65 Frame which is why you'll

[00:37:59]   see most people running not that frame anymore Walter says I'll check you tomorrow timman says I know you're not a Sky Zone guy but in general would you be able to tell a

[00:38:12]   notable difference upgrading DVR from 30 to 60 frames per second in my 04x goggles will it improve Instagram upload quality it will not improve Instagram upload quality

[00:38:34]    but 60 frames is pretty cool it's is pretty cool being in in the edit being able to go 50% speed and not drop frames not lose frames I should say but I don't know are you going to do

[00:38:53]   that if not then it kind of doesn't matter the the 60fps DVR might be better quality though if you've got a 30 frame per second DVR in your Sky Zones that might be the

[00:39:18]   old school DVR that like all the fat sharks used to have which sucks that that DVR is Just Junk so the the the the higher frame rate 60 versus 30 in itself is not going to do

[00:39:38]   anything other than allowing you to go 50% speed and have it be nice and smooth but I believe that the 60 frame per second DVR is just a better DVR all of the and I say that because all of the

[00:39:53]   goggles and the immersion RC power play that have the good DVR that looks better it's they're all 60 frame per second DVR so I bet you I bet you there are two DVRs that ex that exist the old

[00:40:07]   shitty one that's 30 and this newer one that's 60 so I I I'll bet you you would get a I bet you you would get better quality but it would have nothing to do with 30 versus 60 it would

[00:40:20]   have to do with old versus new hopefully that makes sense CMYK saysjust says what's up Dexter says do you use lightweight aluminum titanium screws are they good enough and what do you think about

[00:40:34]   high voltage batteries on Tiny whoops it's really hard to find aluminum or titanium screws so I just use whatever comes with the motors which are probably stainless steel

[00:40:49]   probably not stainless steel they're probably just regular steel mild steel or whatever on bigger stuff you can find M3 screws that are titanium and aluminum aluminum is awful you

[00:41:04]   can only really use aluminum screws in locations that are going to receive like no shock load whatsoever so you might be able to get away with running them on your stack as your stack screws

[00:41:15]   to save a little bit of weight but I wouldn't do that because if those stack screws break that can get expensive in a hurry so I would do titanium in that scenario I've used titanium screws

[00:41:28]   quite a lot and the long and short of it is that you don't want to use them on the really high shock load areas so motor screws don't use them there your front and rear screws on your frame

[00:41:44]    don't use them there you can definitely use them in the middle and then you can definitely use them to hold the stack for for your stack screws where else are there screws

[00:42:00]    don't use them anywhere that the arms are kind of jacked into because when you crash the arms get like a big twisting force typically so titanium is is great and you can probably get away

[00:42:15]   with using it in some of those higher shock sort of areas on the frame on the build but it's not worth it like when they break they break off inside of stuff and it just sucks so bad to have

[00:42:27]   to try to extract them and it's can just be a total nightmare so keep just in my opinion don't use aluminum screws ever they are just so weak and then with titanium screws try

[00:42:41]   to use them in spots where you're not getting a ton of energy going through it during crashes and you can literally just like like if you don't know what those locations are you can just

[00:42:58]   surrounded by tiny whoops and I don't want to show you this with a tiny whoop you can just like hold the frame and just like sit here and just do this like all right if it hits here what happens

[00:43:11]   right if I if I dig it in like this it's going to hit and energy is going to go through here what's going to happen that energy is going to go up through the arm it's going to try to

[00:43:19]   push this arm inside the body so we've got like one screw here which is going to take a bunch of force and then another screw here so I don't want to use them here well look I got these

[00:43:28]   stack screws they're not really jacked into anything so I I got one two 3 four I can right and then like like oh if it hits like this these two screws are going to take a huge shock load but

[00:43:39]   these two back here are going to kind of be okay because they're doubling up so just kind of take it and pretend it's crashing and just think about when it comes down like this

[00:43:48]   where's the energy go when it comes down like this where's the energy Go Right comes down like this these arms are going to get sent up this way so it's going to try to break this arm right so

[00:43:58]   the the screw here is going to take a ton of energy in a hit and just pretend like you're crashing it in every different orientation and you'll very quickly get a feel for which screws

[00:44:11]    are the ones that are like most essential in crashes and crashes are where the majority of the breaking force gets generated in these things the other way you can figure that out is to fly

[00:44:22]   the rig for a while and see which screws back out the screws that back out although you got to be careful there are going to be screws that back out from vibrations and then there are going to

[00:44:33]   be screws that back out from crashes two totally different things you can absolutely run titanium in the spots where the screws are backing out from vibration that

[00:44:47]   doesn't matter it's in crashes that you're going to see the arm screws want to work themselves out so and every frame is a little bit different in that respect which is why I want to

[00:44:59]   mention this there are some frames that none of the screws ever back out there are some frames that all of the screws back out there are some frames that in crashes practically nothing

[00:45:10]   happens there are frames in crashes that like it feels like a bunch of the screws jump threads so it's is a little bit specific got it's a little fluffy

[00:45:24]   thing FAA Panda says hype train dime 102 24,000 KB motors do have motor plugs since when someone said that exact same thing about two months ago and then a half an hour later they posted

[00:45:41]   sorry sorry sorry just kidding they don't have motor plugs so unless that's changed in the last two months that is not the case how do that how do that they have

[00:45:55]   motor plugs what what do you I have ordered them and I can tell you that 6 to8 months ago they did not they they the ones that showed up at my door did not have motor plugs and

[00:46:09]   then I sold them chonan says BetaFPV site says the 5 in one supports up to meteor 75 Pro frame and 1102 Motors I.E meteor 75 Pro any reason not to try this

[00:46:28]    yes the reason not to try it would be that it's a 5 amp AO but it's still probably fine speaking of beta BetaFPV actually messaged me last night and said do you want to try an air

[00:46:41]   75 I said hell so they're going to be sending me a an air 75 to give it a shot fpv5 and I'm pretty sure it's 5 amp fets but I just want to double check oh my God why did I click an AliExpress

[00:47:00]   link it's got to be it's got to be five amp fats look it's me co co admittedly it does kind of suck that they spelled it wrong because I get zero SEO from

[00:47:23]   this which kind of sucks but it's not like they can fix it now I can't find it but I'm 99% sure that that it has 5 amp fets 1102s are going to push 5 amp fets to

[00:47:42]   their limit and when those fets start to get older or if you like roast one of them a little bit when Turtle moding for example recklessly you could run into a situation like you've

[00:47:56]   seen recently with core temperature warnings and stuff but fresh AIO 1102 2200s will be fine especially if you keep them on a 1.6 in setup if you go all the way up to the

[00:48:11]   meteor 75 Pro setup now you're really asking for problems you should be okay for a while th this is a testament to that but you're you're pushing those 5 fets to their absolute absolute absolute

[00:48:29]   absolute limit and so when that when that AIO starts to get like old and tired you're going to have to either retire it or move it to another rig that has less powerful Motors or else you're

[00:48:44]   just going to be staring at those core temperature warnings forever until you turn them off and then you're going to blow it up but you get a you'll get a decent lifespan out of it but

[00:48:53]   that's the full situation there trash FPV says can some affiliate money from me go to a toy for Teddy I'll say this thrash this dog does not need more

[00:49:12]   toys hey must have 30 plus toys upstairs it's absolutely insane he has so many if there's a specific toy you have in mind send me a link but he's got plent plenty of toys don't you guys

[00:49:27]   worry about this dog he is loved he's got lots of toys I don't know where he is at the moment though Tedy get down here he's probably up in his comfy spot on the on the couch or maybe one of

[00:49:43]   the kiddos is hanging out with him RAM cot FPV says kind of a long question SL rant feel free to skip if it's too much no you came to the right place for that stuff

[00:49:55]    meteor 75 Pro suddenly started giving me USB USB power surges what the hell's that mean and the ESC would do two tones downward instead of upward when pluging in a battery seemed like a shorten the

[00:50:10]   flight controller but in the end but in the end the short was in the mo3 VTX interesting do you think the flight controller killed the VTX and I shouldn't solder a new one or would a

[00:50:23]   short just show up out of nowhere the AI turn on fine and the USB works when the VTX is unsoldered in theory the VTX went all on its own and it shouldn't have hurt the AO

[00:50:42]   but shouldn't right not like I can't say like definitely you're probably I mean you're probably fine you're either going to throw the flight controller in the trash and start all over or get a new

[00:50:57]   VTX solder it up see what happens everything points to the VTX let go and the the short protection in the aiio saved you so if it were me I would get another VTX solder It Up and Away

[00:51:16]   you go if that blows up the AO the AI was kind of already blown up and maybe you cook that VTX at the same time but the VTX is cheaper than the AO right so it's not that bad of a loss but I

[00:51:32]   would bet that the AO is completely fine and that you can just slap a new VTX on it and go good question dude not only a good question but good troubleshooting flow that that you

[00:51:49]   did there you were you were very close and I think you already kind of knew what direction you were going to be going in but good stuff man just Mo says two questions putting 40,000 KV

[00:52:00]   72s on hd0 A5 do you think that's safe I'll let tomorrow wait oh hold on hold the [@$#%] phone hold on hold on I'm going to give you the audio from this too I'm just going to

[00:52:22]   play it through the speakers though okay going back to the RC and power rig here's the RC and power rig there you go something wrong with it Jesus I mean just just in case let's back the

[00:52:39]   tune off a little bit this is RC and Power 102 22000 same exact build from a second ago it's basically meteor 75 with the 75 air frame to be a little bit lighter this one actually has a truec

[00:53:13]   singularity antenna on it and it's a little bit lighter than the one I was just flying weirdly me being weird on the y'all not the rig oh

[00:53:31]   boy scary scary wow that's fun I'll tell you what Georgia is some kind of special Backwater [@$#%] my god I've lived in a bunch of different places and I've never lived in a place

[00:54:02]   that that just can't even figure out the Postal Service there should have been there should have been one here two days ago and it still isn't here that Kevin Sumer extremely generously

[00:54:19]   ordered for me when they were in stock cuz he knew I was sleeping do you think that's safe I'll let at some point when Georgia's Backwater weird Postal Service figures

[00:54:35]   out how to deliver things because that's exactly what I'm doing need a light and durable 75mm 1S frame any recommendation so I'm assuming that's a separate qu I hope that's a separate

[00:54:47]   question cuz you certainly don't want to put 702 40,000 KV Motors onto a 75mm frame there are really only two 75mm frames for 1S that should be used in my opinion in my

[00:55:06]   experience which are the beta 75 air and the Mobula 7 V4 the two frames that I was showing you earlier actually that are on these guys the beta 75 airf frame is 1 G

[00:55:24]   lighter but you have to use aios that are cut down you can't use a fullsize square AO in the meteor 75 airframe it will not fit if you have a regular square AO like the 2g4 or the

[00:55:44]   X12 you're going to be running the Mobula 7 V4 frame both of these frames are awesome this one's 1 gram heavier they're both very durable great great great frames I learned today

[00:55:57]   that the the meteor 75 1S frame of which I've broken two both on the very first battery that I flew on them that frame is the spec frame for underground whoop League which I find

[00:56:14]   to be insane but what that really means is that I must have crashed it really strange in both of those scenarios to break that frame so quickly because underground whoop League Pilots

[00:56:29]   are flying like kind of fat Rigs and Racers crash so interesting stuff there's really nothing about that frame that's all that interesting though to be honest it's not any lighter

[00:56:43]   than these two frames I think it's actually heavier than them and I mean it's not that durable so my my recommendation stands beta 75 airframe

[00:56:57]    mobile 7 V4 those are the best that I've found thr fpb says for what reason would you turn off air mode I feel like you would want it on all the time if you would like to blame your quad

[00:57:15]   for you not being able to control your rig when you're flying it close to walls when you fly close to a wall the aerodynamic situation goes to Absolute hell and air mode can pull you up into

[00:57:31]   the wall like this don't fly so close to the goddamn walls problem solved air mode on all the time is is is the way to go every once in a blue moon there'll be a situation where the quad gets sucked

[00:57:53]   up against something and it's like oh I should put mode on a switch but then you fly 100 more batteries and that situation does not happen again so I mean if you have an extra switch

[00:58:06]   there's no harm in putting it on that switch you're not going to you're certainly not going to remember to flip that switch when you're in that scenario but in that scenario where it

[00:58:16]   sucks up to something because that's air mode trying to make Corrections you can flip that switch and turn off air mode and it you might be able to get it to come off of there for me I just disarm

[00:58:27]   and rearm really quick zero the throttle disarm rearm super quick and it'll do the same thing it'll fall off the thing it'll rearm and you can fly it away air mode on a switch the the

[00:58:41]   other problem with air mode on a switch is that you'll accidentally hit that switch and then your rig will fly bad but not so bad that that like you immediately realize what has happened so

[00:58:54]   you'll fly like two three batteries like man this thing is garbage what the hell's going on or you'll fly a whole day and then eventually you'll realize ah Christ the air mode switch was turned

[00:59:06]   off and then you'll flip air mode back on you'll be good for another month and then it'll get switched in your bag again and you'll fly a couple of batteries and be like what the hell's

[00:59:16]   going on I remember a month ago two months ago it was acting like this I don't remember what the deal was you'll fly fly fly fly fly fly fly fly fly eventually you'll realize it flip the

[00:59:25]   switch again it sucks I I've been there it's just super annoying to have air mode on a switch and the the amount of situations that you will actually use it is like so limited like like

[00:59:42]   fingers and toes in eight years of flying limited so just leave it on all the time thrash FPV also says the Cockroach frame is so slept on I literally cannot break it after six months the

[00:59:58]   Cockroach v3s are awesome awesome awesome awesome as is the the light AF they're both amazing frames I haven't found anything better Dexter says is 6s bad a bad move to go with for a slow

[01:00:13]   2 and a half inch cine whoop indoor shots yes 6s batteries are going to be too heavy and they're going to stress out the ESC and a 2 and a half inch Powertrain will not make enough power or Draw

[01:00:28]   enough amps to get you any benefit from 6s the only benefit that comes from 6s is it will allow you to take our current selection of motors and spin them up to a higher RPM

[01:00:43]    and if that's what you're going for do 5S it's not going to hurt it's not going to hit hammer on the ESC as bad and you're still going to get a bunch more RPM you're going to get 25% more

[01:00:55]   RPM out of whatever Motors you pick so 6s doesn't make any sense really until you get up to like really heavy 4in rigs or 5in rigs unless you've specifically found a motor

[01:01:10]   that on 4S the perfect motor that on 4S does not have enough RPM but again in that case go 5S not 6s if there's a 5S battery that's light enough there there might be

[01:01:24]   lighter weight 6s batteries just because it's so much more popular but if you're going to do 6s you got to spend some money on your ESC you you're you either want an ESC that's meant for 5 in

[01:01:40]   rigs or you want to spend 7080 on on an ESC to be able to handle 6s without going up in Flames literally going up in Flames which is what happened a year ago or so when I Revisited 6s

[01:01:58]   on a 3-in rig and on the third battery the the ESC literally caught on fire and burn the rig to the ground on four i' I'd flown a couple of batteries on 4S and it was totally fine

[01:02:10]    put the 6s battery on there with motor limiting flew totally fine didn't have too much power it but then the ESC just caught fire at a at a hover it's a lot of voltage to be putting through

[01:02:22]   tiny little 20 X20 esc's Dexter says since we're talking about screws do you think threadlock is important in some situations yes in some situations no always make sure that you're not using

[01:02:36]   threadlock around plastic it will eat plastic that is really important so when in doubt don't use threadlock because if you forget that it can cause really big problems what I'll usually

[01:02:49]   do on like a for fun or like a freestyle like a less than serious build is I won't run any Loctite and I'll see which screws vibrate themselves out and then I'll locktite those screws

[01:03:05]    on gig life rigs everything gets lock tighted that's not around plastic because it's flying over people is not a situation where you can have anything bad happen so for for

[01:03:23]   essential rigs Loctite everything that's not right up against plastic but for freestyle for fun stuff whatever don't build it's takes a significant amount of extra time to Loctite

[01:03:36]   everything so don't do it see what stuff backs out as it backs out back at the rest of the way out slap some Loctite on it throw it back in away you go just Mo says I love how CiottiFPV has

[01:03:48]   been saying f a panda accidentally multiple times oh it wasn't on it wasn't by accident I was doing that 100 % on purpose because I think FAA is absolutely hysterical

[01:04:02]   and when I when I read Fufu panda's name the first time I almost said FAA panda in my head I said FAA Panda but my mouth managed to say Fufu Panda but then I thought what no no it's F it's

[01:04:17]   foa Panda because I can do what I want I have free will br's B Bean says I helped Maiden an 8 in Octo lifter good God and we [Laughter] could that's great we could watch screws

[01:04:43]   falling off of it while just hovering in front of us that's amazing he says that was a qav pro threadlock for the [Laughter] wood oh that's so funny that's such a funny mental picture like all right I I

[01:05:09]   just got this big ass build done here we go you hover that [@$#%] and you just like watching screws back out fall that's great that is [@$#%] 10 out of 10 Tim and says I had a minor

[01:05:26]   crash with my 3-in baby ape and afterwards when arming it would spin at idle for a second and then the whole thing would reboot power lead issue I

[01:05:41]   mean it's hard to tell but that's where I would go first do do that first do that first also check the the the cable between the flight controller and the ESC the little ribbon

[01:05:58]   is cable and then start replacing stuff really it's got to be one of those two things if it's not one of those two things either the flight controller or the ESC has [@$#%] the bed but for

[01:06:15]   sure try the the the battery lead first and while you're in there the the patch cable what the [@$#%] is that cable called between the ESC in the flight controller what are you guys call

[01:06:27]   it I don't know what it's actually called P Richard Scott's in the chat what's up dude I'm going to hang out with his ass tomorrow I can't wait fly that big

[01:06:37]   awesome drone Paradise that he's living at nowadays teleport FPV says have you messed with the 2S rocket that the AO burned no I haven't it's I put it into a bag and

[01:06:56]    I got to figure out what I'm doing I got to find an AO for it I I I can't find I I I would love to have an A that has motor plugs excepts 2S elrs on board VTX on board it's looking like

[01:07:13]   I'm not going to find it there's one but it's $100 and that's absurd so I got to figure out what I'm going to do I think I'm going to find an AO that has everything other than a receiver or V

[01:07:25]   VTX on it and just run that do an external VTX or an external ep2 but just Mo says what would be a lightweight option for mounting VTX and AO I feel like those long metal screws

[01:07:39]   are putting me to the disadvantage in weight mounting VTX and AO what are we talking about here we talking about tiny whoops we talked about cin

[01:07:54]   lifters if we're talking about tiny whoops not using metal screws You're Now using plastic screws and they're going to break the first time you crash so there there's

[01:08:09]   there's no other option if you're talking about tiny whoops there's there's no other option it's metal screws or your life is misery because every time you crash plastic screws

[01:08:21]   break it sucks don't do it render says what would cause a no OSD I did have this on the first BetaFPV G4 out of the box I have true in BetaFlight VTX menu and otherwise good video when did it

[01:08:36]   start render that that is the biggest clue and that's what I would absolutely need to know to even have any chance of troubleshooting that but no OSD can either mean that if it's

[01:08:53]   an if it's a digital build if it's a digital VTX you've either got it set up wrong in the ports tab right you don't have the display port MSP thing set up properly or if it's an analog build it

[01:09:07]   could mean that the OSD chip has failed if you bashed it into a tree or something or it could mean that you have it on ntsc when it's actually a pal camera or vice

[01:09:21]   versa those are the three main things hopefully it's one of those other wi tell me more I need to know a lot more to troubleshoot ramot says thanks a lot for the response you're certainly

[01:09:31]   welcome I'll try a new VTX at some point report P USB power surges happen when you plug in a shorted USB device Windows gives you a notification ah no [@$#%] I did not know

[01:09:42]   that I'm I've been a mac guy forever Chet tonian says continuing from before are the fets on the BetaFPV cross 5 amp AO that comes in the meteor 7 Pro bind andly different than the ones

[01:09:57]   on the air AIO I don't know but I mean 5 amps is 5 amps is the BNF running on edge by default yes it is for sure it gets away with it because it's analog and it's fairly lightweight

[01:10:13]    but the 5 amp fets on 1102 22 thousands that is on the edge you might start running into it also kind of gets away with it because 22,000 KV is nice and low if those 1102s were

[01:10:31]   24,000 KV it would be throwing core temperature warnings like from from the first time you arm it chonan says also where is the treats for Teddy donation button there's not there's not

[01:10:42]   actually a gear fund so as well that's as good an idea as any how's that look over there that works how many treats does this little bastard need $100

[01:11:02]   worth there we go treats for Teddy fund so help me God if this fills up quicker Endor more than the healthc care fund I'm not surprised justo says bet FPV meteor 75 newb drone cockroach 75 HappyModel

[01:11:25]   mob7 V2 V3 V4 FR oh God I know you don't race but what would be your combo what oh it looks like you're doing an underground whoop League build they have a spec frame so you don't get to choose

[01:11:52]   that you you have to run the frame that they tell you to run so if you were able to choose you would choose the lightest weight frame well I guess no because they they

[01:12:03]    they force you to comply to power to weight ratio limits basically so but no they have a spec frame you don't have you don't get to choose your frame

[01:12:21]    but out of those frames the only ones that that I've had any luck with are the mobula V4 and the the BetaFPV meteor 75 air all the rest of those frames that you listed there

[01:12:41]   as far as I'm concerned they suck in one way or another so thrash says this guy on Reddit was arguing it flies better what's it not crash or lands better and I knew it was Terri advice

[01:12:56]   I need to stop trying to correct terrible advice it never ends what's it though what's it thr most advice that you're going to find on Reddit and Facebook groups literally

[01:13:08]   I'm not even exaggerating this most advice as in more than 50% is dead ass wrong and again I'm not kidding I go on both of those websites and I look at FPV stuff from time to time and I just I

[01:13:22]   just go right through the comments and more in a lot of cases significantly more than 50% of the advice is dead ass wrong full-blown wrong and when you're talking about like 5 in rigs or bigger

[01:13:37]   that can get someone hurt Andor killed and so I just don't go on Facebook or Reddit [Laughter] anymore be really careful getting advice from strangers on the internet

[01:13:50]   most of them have absolutely no idea most of them know much less than you if if you're hanging out here and paying any attention for more than like a couple of weeks you immediately know more than the

[01:14:04]   majority of the people on Facebook groups and Reddit I'm not kidding the the amount of misinformation is staggering staggering and it C it causes so many people to waste so much

[01:14:19]   money it absolutely infuriates me Co power says fun fact you do not actually have free will for instance you just had to read this comment the I I love neog grass Tyson

[01:14:37]   and oh [@$#%] I forget the name of the guy that he argues with a lot about whether or not we have free will it's a fascinating argument Flo says got any

[01:14:48]   recommendations for 2S HV capable board for like a toothpick or some I don't float do you I'm struggling to find one on on on the on the live stream Monday night either Monday or

[01:15:05]   Sunday or Monday's live stream I I looked for one and I I just I can't find one if you find one please let me know it's I I would love one I have a rig that's just kind of waiting for it

[01:15:20]    tun RC at the moment I think has like the hot AOS but they don't have one that has elrs Andor VTX built in but t RC is is a I think they're like the top right now for aios

[01:15:37]   somebody else in chat will will have a recommendation or two cmy kfv says 8 Pin jst harness harness that's the word I was looking for maybe stack harness what's documentation call it Dexter

[01:15:50]   says what's the best 2 and a half inch cine whooop frame money is not important qav Pro no such thing as best just different the qav pro is more

[01:16:02]   durable but less efficient than the AOS 2.5 CNA so there you go if you want more durability if you want more efficiency more efficiency also means better power to weight ratio the AOS

[01:16:23]   2.5 C is also a total pain in the ass to work on the qav pro is a breeze to work on so two two different frames that like if you look at them you're like oh I'm sure they're

[01:16:37]   exactly the same two completely different experiences in terms of serviceability flight characteristics are pretty similar like sure you get a little bit more power and a little bit

[01:16:50]   more efficiency but it's not night and day yeah also very different durability the the AOS C 2.5 is a weak frame I broke the bottom plate on the very first Crash from about 3 feet into

[01:17:08]   the onto my sidewalk and then I broke the top plate on like a 4 foot crash into the grass it is a an extremely extremely fragile frame thrash FV says power Loop the

[01:17:23]   Octo lifter YouTube just did the thing scrolling back up come on come on come on come on oh outset FPV says guys just for the record there's not a single spec frame for underground you said udl I'm

[01:17:43]   going to assume that you meant to type UGL as of now you should let 533 know that earlier today 533 did a live stream and all three of the guys there all four of the guys there said that the

[01:18:02]   meteor 75 was a spec frame for underground whoop League remember a minute ago when I was telling you about bad information on the internet those guys know what they're

[01:18:13]   talking about and even they it sounds like even they got it wrong maybe outset FPV is wrong I don't know I I have very little interest in in underground Loop league so you guys figure it

[01:18:27]   out I I don't know at this point I've had four people say that it is and one person say that it isn't so I'm just going to say I have no idea I don't know if it's a spec frame

[01:18:38]   or not but the underground whoop League builds have to be of a certain weight so running the lightest weight 75mm frame maybe doesn't make a lot of sense which is the the beta

[01:18:53]   75 air which is kind of my favorite frame but it's kind of a pain in the ass because you can only run aios that are the the cut down style so for me it's beta 75 Air Mobula 7

[01:19:09]   V4 I fly freestyle I don't race those are the frames that have been the most durable and you can actually like put things in the the Mobula 7 V4 is the Easy Button because any aiio is going to fit

[01:19:23]   in it and it's plenty dirt durble especially if you prep it a little bit the the part on the on the Mobula 7 V4 frame that breaks are these little supports this is a lot

[01:19:39]   of tiny whoop frames but on this one specifically these supports where I have beefed them up with black E6000 I think it's actually e7000 that's where it breaks ever since

[01:19:51]   I've been prepping these frames like this they've I've not broken a single one of them I also put that stuff on the top of those posts I'm not going to be able to show it to you because the

[01:20:04]   AIO is in the way but if you look really carefully you can see there's E6000 e7000 on the top of those little supports as well so I've basically run just a little bead all the way around

[01:20:17]   360° of these little supports and that seems to work incredibly well it is a frame that will eventually break but they all will they're plasticand we crash hard Fufu Panda says

[01:20:32]   it says the hype train 102s have jst 1.25 on the RO to Riot page I would love that and if they have made that change it could very well be because of me because I bitched and moaned about it

[01:20:50]   to Tyler grus FPV at Rampage and so if they have changed that then you're welcome my friends they've conveniently only used they've conveniently cropped the pictures so

[01:21:18]   that it doesn't show the ends of the goddamn wires the these motors are also a little bit heavy I believe 102s are kind of heavy Motors but I think this is a slightly heavier

[01:21:32]   102 motor wire Dimensions jst 1.25 40 mm if I order another set of these and they don't have connectors on them I'm going to light the entire building on fire so I'm just not going to order

[01:21:58]   him that's the solution I mean these have the potential to outperform the BetaFPV 1102 2200s mainly just because of this KV but I'm going to need some kind of confirmation that these have motor plugs

[01:22:17]   if I'm going to order another set and I I still no guarantees that I order I don't know we'll see we will see I don't trust it enoke FPV says Chuck Nice I don't think that's his name

[01:22:34]   but I could be wrong that doesn't sound familiar though Dexter says Reddit is now a marketing hot bed filled with fake comments used to be my favorite website I haven't actually

[01:22:47]   noticed that I haven't been on there in in many many years that's a shame I used to love Reddit outside of PV says sorry apparently I can't shift enter undergr whoop League frames beta FP meteor 75

[01:23:01]   all right so we already talked through that one ah hold on wait no hold on hold on outset you were talking about can't shift end all underground whoop League frames but I I think outset

[01:23:18]   is telling us which are the approved frames BetaFPV meteor 75 not the pro frame new J cockroach 75 HappyModel Mobula 7 V2 34 the V3 is only really for 2S so you wouldn't run that one I don't

[01:23:31]   know I don't know what the V2 frame is and then fractal engineering fractal 75 you definitely don't want to do that definitely don't do the fractal build fractal frame

[01:23:43]    and then I see outset tagged me again he said the 533 build is a spec build it is not a single frame that is allowed interesting they specifically said that underground whoop League requires that

[01:24:01]   build they did not say this is our spec build this is our frame for our spec build so they they were I I specifically I was shocked by it when they said it and I specifically asked them in the

[01:24:15]   comments and then they read that comment and specifically answered so outset says I can answer any question about the spec I have a feeling that outset is either the guy or he runs

[01:24:30]   underground whoop league and understands it he seems to know what he's talking about in the chat so there we go 40 he also says 40 to 45 grams is spec if you're on analog you'll need to add

[01:24:40]   weight with the beta 75 a I think that's why a lot of people run those really cool little cob LEDs on them which is the I don't know if if that was done on

[01:24:57]   purpose if it was done on purpose it is goddamn genius to set the minimum weight at a weight that allows most builds to run those really cool LEDs that is that is kind of brilliant I love

[01:25:13]   those cob LEDs but like every single time I'm like oh I should put those on this build I just kind of sit there and I'm like ah I can't do it I can't do it's function over form man

[01:25:26]   like it's function over form especially because I can't see them like I want other people it kind of only it only ever makes sense for you to encourage other people to put LEDs on

[01:25:40]   their rigs because then you can see them like putting LEDs on your own [@$#%] you're never going to see it and it's so it's like the biggest [@$#%] teas on Earth of like I'm spending all this extra time

[01:25:52]   and like I know it looks cool but I never get to see the damn thing like sure you can line aight it for 15 seconds and oh it looks so cool but then you immediately put the goggles

[01:26:03]   back on because line of sight is for the birds but there you go thrash fbv says sorry sorry to clarify I meant the terrible advice was to keep air mode off and it would fly better that's

[01:26:18]   just dead wrong just just completely wrong rigs do not fly better with air with air mode off period it's that that's there's no questioning that that's somebody that doesn't know [@$#%]

[01:26:31]    what it probably is though that is probably someone this is a very common misconception that is almost certainly someone that read some other jackass say that and then they tried it and the

[01:26:46]   placebo was as it always is strong as hell and they went oh my God it's a mix of at that point it's a mix of CBO and confirmation bias so I almost guarantee you that that read that person

[01:26:59]   read some other idiot saying that and then they flew their rig with it off to be totally honest you kind of can't tell the difference until you zero the throttle out and when you zero the

[01:27:10]   throttle out air mode off flies like a sack of hammers because it's literally a sack of hammers the [@$#%] Motors turn off and I mean they go to idle they might as well be turning off and the

[01:27:21]   damn thing flops around in the air so there is no world where air mode off flies better than air mode on it's just that's just not it because air mode is only active when you

[01:27:33]   zero the throttle out and there is no world where when you zero the throttle out it flies better when I'm sorry when you zero the throttle out without the pit Loop being active it flies better

[01:27:44]   that's just dumb so go find that person and call them dumb Cole power says Eugene Eugene Merman I think that's that sounds familiar I think that's who it is outside of we got that oh 661 says

[01:28:03]   UWL is now udl I think now right I don't know is it what is the D underground it's not that what would the D be in in tiny whoop land underground diabolically small

[01:28:25]   quad League Martin tanley says I have some 2 G4S brand new and since the news of the hg0 AIO looking to sell these any interest I have two sealed I am weirdly like loaded up on 2 G4S also I

[01:28:39]   recently found out that happy model's still making them Weeble just got 125 in stock and so I I have like four extras so I'm good but there's probably someone listening to this right

[01:28:56]   now that is in the market for a 2g4 and maybe we'll message Martin tanley Martin's in chat tag them and then figure out how to get in touch with each other 2 G4S are

[01:29:08]   great I just got all crazy when I thought they were going to go away forever and I bought a whole bunch of them cmk says at 70 I'd say a six at 70 I don't see it in chat

[01:29:25]   it's not 70 it's 7o I don't see what seven oo was asking I don't see any comments from Seven ear what's happening is this real life 661 says udl is in the chat what's

[01:29:47]   udl tell me what udl is underground Dr D is for drone you idiot underground drone League awesome and underground drone league is in the chat welcometell me was it intentional did you

[01:30:11]   intentionally set the minimum weight so that people could put LEDs all over them just say yes and make me happy even if you didn't just say Yes I'm going to make you a moderator because I want your

[01:30:23]   name to show up in blue I don't want you to moderate though cool yep udl great job just I'm not a racing guy but I can tell that you've done a ton of work and I hear lots

[01:30:45]   and lots and lots of people talking about what you're up to and that's a sign that you're killing it man so great work good good good stuff CMYK with some up ARs here we go underground drone

[01:30:57]   League says pretty much any 75mm 40 millimeter prop frame is legal see that's what I thought that's why I was so shocked on 533 is live stream earlier Okay the reason we have

[01:31:08]   an approved frame list is to prevent Engineers from going crazy and ruining the meta really really really good idea there they do a lot of that stuff in in Spec Miata which I'm pretty familiar

[01:31:21]   with from my old ye olden days of my 20s and 30s in the 1900s all right where we at here all right cool I am caught up on chat is underground drone League make yourself at home answer some questions

[01:31:39]   if you don't mind because it sounds like there's a bunch oh wait here we go the minimum weight was set to 40 Grand specifically to allow for HD zero builds with LEDs to be competitive okay so

[01:31:48]   it was more about hd0 which is awesome as well 661 say LEDs are required right are they that would be super cool tell me that the LEDs are are required tell me that some sort of external LED

[01:32:02]   is required that is that is genius igniters wait what under was a spec class now called oh okay so UWL is now called igniters oh cool very cool LEDs are required look at that hell

[01:32:22]   maybe he's just lying make me happy but I doubt it that is really cool man it's a really really really cool rule set well [@$#%] done it is 11:35 all right let's just go we're just

[01:32:39]   going to go I was hoping to do a bunch of stuff but we are going to focus on what I put in the Stream title which is the 2S WalkSnail 75mm rig again I knew that I had another WalkSnail

[01:32:56]   light floating around I am going to stop removing well for this build which has plenty of power I am not going to remove the I've heard this called so many different things heat shield heat

[01:33:11]   spreader heat sink whatever this oneish G piece of metal I'm going to leave this on here to see if maybe this will last a little bit longer this rig has enough power to offset the extra

[01:33:27]   weight here on the 65mm WalkSnail rigs I will continue to remove this because it is a significant amount of weight but for this build and for any builds that I want to really be super

[01:33:44]   durable I'm going to stop removing it because I mean look WalkSnail no longer sells this VTX with that removed that says something what I mean okay so here we go

[01:34:04]   again let me just let me just remind myself of How I build this goddamn thing over and over and over again I have a funny feeling that the the wires on here are going to be

[01:34:22]   too short and that is going to really slow this down to the point where we're pretty much not going to get it done tonight which sucks but welcome to the CiottiFPV live

[01:34:38]   stream where nowhere near as much [@$#%] that should be getting done gets done but it's mainly because you guys ask great questions in the chat and if there's one thing that I can leave to

[01:34:49]   the world it's a whole bunch of really good info and that's what we're kind of doing and so these these leads are exactly like 2 mm too short so that's a big old kick in the balls I

[01:35:03]   could technically try to rotate this VTX I have already looked at doing that and it with there is like one really good orientation of this VTX and that's like this as soon as you change that

[01:35:19]   orientation either the UFL port for the antenna is in an an spot or the the thicker Parts on the bottom of the of the board are in a bad spot for this AO and I end up having to like space

[01:35:36]   these out even more which sucks so realistically this needs to sit like this and what that means is that I need to deal with the utter disaster that is liquid electric tape

[01:35:56]    it is just I'm it's so much of a pain in the ass that I'm going to turn off the soldering iron because that's how long it's going to take me to get this [@$#%] off of here I do not have a

[01:36:10]   great way of getting this off I've never heard anyone have a great way of getting this off here's how I do it friends I start with my fingernail to try to get some big chunks off

[01:36:25]   and it kind of works it's just time consuming oh my God so we're trying to get big chunks off here first kind of like scrape down the wire it just it comes off in little tiny pieces

[01:36:48]   which is why it's such a nightmare I'm going to put the nerd goggles on top half baked Flo says they don't last longer with the heat sink on awesome all right

[01:37:06]   so I think I've gotten about as much of it off as I'm going to get off with my fingernail now we got to start trying to like get in between these and I don't want to do that with a piece of metal

[01:37:23]   because you could could very easily scrape the the top layer off the PCB so come in here with either plastic or wood and continue to try to get this [@$#%] off does anybody know if there's like a

[01:37:41]   solvent that removes this liquid electric tape so this is just like a regular old little toothpick it's doing a half decent job actually last time I did this it was way

[01:38:04]   way way worse than this maybe I'm getting better at it or maybe I'm just in a better mood today could very well be the case it's been a good week for me mental healthwise which is

[01:38:24]   exceedingly rare unfortunately but we take him when we can get him guess it just makes you appreciate the good weeks that much more it unfortunately it doesn't I wish that it

[01:38:42]   did but it really kind of doesn't if I'm honest's see if I can get some of this [@$#%] off here with my fingernail there we go all right let's get in between the power

[01:38:57]   and the ground here oh this is just this is this is thrilling television I know guys but there's nothing I can do about this like I I have to do this boy this is part of the build

[01:39:24]   you're going to have to do this well probably not because you'll buy a new one of these and it'll have cables that are long enough but at some point you'll cut those cables too short and you'll

[01:39:32]   have to do this so for some people this is part of the build come on you bastard all right so I got some of this stuff loosened up I'm going to really carefully come in here

[01:39:48]   with stupidly sharp and thin tweezers and try to just grab some of these chunks and pull them off but you do not want to be scraping on the PCB with sharpened tweezers like this right now I'm

[01:40:04]   scraping on the solder which is fine because I'm going to remove that solder right don't scrape with metal on pcbs that's about as much as I can do with these let me try to get in here with

[01:40:19]   the toothpick a little bit more if it's out of focus I apologize blame Logitech for making terrible webcams if I want to get any of this done I have to kind of ignore

[01:40:39]   the the live stream for a minute and just work all right so I'm not totally happy with that but I'm going to give it a shot I'm going to kick the soldering iron back on I'm going to leave it like

[01:40:54]   that and we'll see it might be okay I I don't know maybe I removed enough hopefully I did probably never know I think it was out of focus the whole time

[01:41:12]   awesome all right just clean up this mess a little bit while the soldering iron is coming up Tim says MEK acetone and some other word can be used to thin SL remove electrical tape liquid

[01:41:25]   electrical tape all right acetone I can get my hands on tulul loone or whatever the hell timman said I would have to go out and buy that realistically I'm not

[01:41:42]   gonna use a toothpick but maybe next time I'll use acetone I do also have an extremely expensive can of 3M adhesive remover it was like $26 for the can of it but I needed to get it for Maggie's car it's

[01:42:02]    it's one of the few things that will remove that sticky plastic [@$#%] that when it's not old it's not sticky when it's new but when it's gotten older it's off gas or done

[01:42:16]   something weird and it's gotten really sticky and the the really expensive 3M adhesive remover does an amazing job of getting it off in Maggie's TSX it's all over the the

[01:42:30]   door handles and it puts up a hell of a fight though man that that stuff is like very you can tell how strong it is when you're using it and you still have to really put time and

[01:42:44]   effort into rubbing that [@$#%] in there to get the the stuff off demo FPV is in the house he says anybody have any tricks to remove a motor screw that got ground down screwdriver isn't grabbing

[01:42:55]   oh boy it looks like there's a bunch of people making suggestions in the chat already okay so let me hold on I'm going to remove these one at a time and replace the wire so that I don't have to

[01:43:07]   pay attention to which wire is is where so hold on I should have a little thing somewhere in here with some wires in it let me get some 30 gauge wires going here we go should have have

[01:43:23]   some 30 gauge in here indeed I do let's take this little bundle here all right cool so let's get it going all right so we're going to use all right so I only need a little

[01:43:55]   tiny bit more than this so let me do this I'm going to separate out black red let's just do white and yellow we'll leave this coral colored wire the hell alone all right so these four wires I

[01:44:14]   really only need like a little tiny bit more so I can just chop these guys off down here ah [@$#%] it I'm G to cut all four of them looks silly otherwise all right so we got some wire

[01:44:27]   save this little bit okay and I might actually route these wires a little bit differently now that I have a little bit of extra wire I might route them under this side

[01:44:42]   I've been meaning to do that for a while but haven't so these are kind of tinned but not really so hold on let me tin these guys I want these wires to be like ready to

[01:45:00]   go so that I remove one and replace it remove the next replace it remove the next replace it so let me get these tinned up real quick here all right there we go there's two I'm

[01:45:25]   going to Tin these off the side of the desk you're not missing anything you've seen me tin wires before hang on you're going to put the soldering iron on the bottom and

[01:45:37]   you're going to push the solder in from the top you're trying to push the solder in between the individual strands of wire tinning wires is very important you're going to leave a little blob

[01:45:53]   of solder on the end of The Wire so that when you're then connecting that wire to the pad you don't have to add solder which is hard to do because most of you don't have three

[01:46:12]   hands I got three legs though but bum it's like a baby's arm holding an apple all right those are tinned you missed nothing I do have to cut a little bit of wire length off this

[01:46:30]   one just do that all right got it I think the other ones are fine oh I accidentally cut the coral wire that's fine we'll go with it we're going to use the coral colored

[01:46:48]   wire okay these guys are good so what it's going to be annoying to do them one at a time so let me do this I'm just going to lay these wires out in the same way that these

[01:47:01]   pads are yellow doesn't really matter because it's TX and RX I got to be honest I don't Coral wire I'm going to strip and Tin the white wire feel much much more

[01:47:17]   comfortable with a white wire on here plus like white Whi t e having and then you're putting that on like a TX pad potentially it's kind of nice just makes your life a

[01:47:31]   little bit easier trying to remember this [@$#%] good God why won't this instulation come off die damn you hold on I mangled the [@$#%] out of this wire trying to get this insulation

[01:47:49]   off there we go we got it hold on let me tin this super quick all right and come on all right we good cool wires are tinned and I'm going to put them on in that

[01:48:19]   order all right so away we go that's a good idea Tim Tim says you just use a screenshot Tim says just do a screenshot dummy we have the technology here we

[01:48:39]   go oh boy that is an ugly soldering iron tip let's clean it up whoa just almost had a mishap trying to do that very lazily okay Power ground come

[01:49:10]   on this thing has a there's a hell of a ground plane in this WalkSnail VTX the ground pad always takes like way longer than I think it should TX RX I think I I don't actually know

[01:49:24]   which one's which all right so let's see let's see what happened with that liquid electric tape you don't want like the liquid the LI liquid electric tape to be all up on

[01:49:37]   that pad or like in the solder or anything I think I got just enough of it off I can see some in between these two pads see it smear all over the desk

[01:49:51]   there it's non-conductive right so it's like nasty [@$#%] you don't want it all up in there I think I got most of it off though all right cool oh boy I just mess up the order of those wires I don't

[01:50:12]   think so I think this yellow one was just here all right where we go let's go with the I'm going to come in like this all right so so as not to cross over myself we're going to

[01:50:29]   do them from my perspective left to right from your perspective right to left I guess it would be always try not to cross over yourself when you're soldering because you can very easily

[01:50:44]   desolder the pad right next to it when you're Crossing and so the pads are already tinned the pads have a Big Blob of solder on them from The Wire that I removed and so you've added wire you've

[01:51:01]   added solder to the tip of the wire itself and then you've got solder on the pad so all you need to do is join them you don't need to try to add more solder at the same

[01:51:16]   time as you're holding the wire and holding the soldering iron which is a good thing because that is a nightmare in almost all situations you should be able to get enough solder on

[01:51:33]   the pad and on the tip of the wire that it's enough every once in a while you could run into like a battery pad situation where you can't quite get enough solder on there and you have to add some after

[01:51:48]   the fact like rework it come back to it and add a little bit more solder but but that's pretty rare all right so that pad when when the solder solidified and dried it went all

[01:52:03]   cloudy that is your reminder to use more flux that is a dirty pad so we're going to reheat that I just added a little bit of flux there we're going to reheat it and it should be nice and shiny it's not

[01:52:17]   a big deal but it's one of those like just do it right kind of things now the wire moved God damn it and I burned all the solder off again all right so hold

[01:52:38]   on so I'm actually going to remove the solder from this pad I'm going to do that by heating it up and then flicking it off and it stuck to the tip of the soldering iron solder flows towards heat

[01:52:51]   and so you can get get a pad hot and then flick outwards and remove most of the solder and then what I'm going to do is add a little bit of fresh solder these pads have lead free solder from the

[01:53:13]   factory which is just junk and so I'm going to put a little bit of leaded solder on here and that's going to give me a nice shiny ball and it's important to have shiny balls it actually isn't having a solder

[01:53:28]   joint that's smooth and having the wire flat on the pad that's what's most important in my opinion and experience the shiny balls thing is just bragging but sometimes you got to brag

[01:53:49]   yo Jesus I'm having a really hard time holding this wire steady let me get the tweezers out here and I'm going to rework this I think what's going on is I'm

[01:54:12]   hungry I get shaky when I get hungry and I'm hungry a lot because my metabolism is ridiculous all right so there we go now it's beautiful all right and now we're going white I can usually do this stuff

[01:54:26]   by hand I I actually prefer to do it by by hand a little bit more dexterity with your fingers you don't have to worry about clamping too hard with really sharp tipped tweezers and punching

[01:54:40]   through the the wire the Silicon insulation but with the with the tweezers you can hold the wire per perfectly still these solder pads are all going milky which just kind of drives me nuts here's

[01:55:00]   the other way you can sometimes fix that hold the wire in place pick up a little bit of solder on the tip of the iron and just drop it down onto the pad the solder will kind of mix together

[01:55:15]   and it won't accomplish anything it's fine doesn't matter it does matter it just doesn't matter enough to worry about it too much the wire is nice and flat on the pad the joint is

[01:55:34]   nice and smooth the reason why I say it doesn't matter is that we crash and upgrade and rebuild these things so frequently that doing perfect quity

[01:55:54]   work it's just it's not all that valuable we're not sending these things into space we're a lot of times just [@$#%] around in our front and backyards so spending a ton more time getting

[01:56:09]   the joints absolutely perfect does not have much benefit in in the actual world that we live in and so resist spending a bunch more time doing that if it makes you happy

[01:56:28]   do it because it ain't hurting nobody but just understand that it's not it's not really going to matter you're not going to build one of these things and fly it exactly as it is for

[01:56:41]   the next 20 years there are all kinds of extra steps that I skip that would make soldering better would make my solder joint joints better and would make these components last longer but it

[01:56:56]   just it's just a waste of time this rig for example Jesus how many times has this thing been apart in the last two months it's been apart more than it's been

[01:57:08]   together so just keep that in mind be realistic thrash says have a Snickers you're not you're not you when you're hungry God I wish I wish there was a [@$#%] Snickers bar here right now I

[01:57:19]   would I would eat the entire thing in one bite people would call the cops it would be such a travesty all right so this is what I'm going to do with the wires on this one I'm going to run them at an

[01:57:34]   angle here off the pads at an angle previously when the wires were just barely long enough I would run them straight across the board which is totally fine and then make a I would

[01:57:45]   make a little loop with them and hook up to the pads from the outside by doing this I'm going to be able to solder this to the pads from the inside so that this thing sits like this but these wires are

[01:57:59]   going to get cut short let me show you and obviously these wires are going to get cut short but look this is what I'm going to do now so these wires can hook up the pads are right below there

[01:58:11]   let me shift this to the right a little bit there's the there are the pads that you piece of [@$#%] please work well the pads are under there there it goes the pads are under there right

[01:58:23]   so now I can have them in that direction versus the other way the way that I previously built these these wires come across and then they 180 and they were going to the pads in that

[01:58:38]   direction which is not quite as good it's not the end of the world if you have to do it that way but still this is this is a significantly better way of doing this so

[01:58:52]   now we deal with the really small pads but I also need to get these cut down a little bit and I want to make sure that I don't cut them too short I also need to look up a wiring diagram to

[01:59:08]   see what actually is TX versus RX so I'm going to go to Google and type in WalkSnail light wiring and then in images there's going to be the picture from walks

[01:59:32]   Nails website is that the light there it is okay so my yellow is all the way on the outside and that is T TX yellow is TX which is going to hook up to RX on the flight

[01:59:58]   controller and of course that is not the pad that's on the outside that's okay all right so we're going to hook up to and then it's going to be battery oh man both of these are going to have

[02:00:14]   to cross over themselves maybe I'm not gonna run these this way because I need to avoid that hold on hold on so if I avoid that I I just I got to make sure enough stuff is out of

[02:00:37]   the way also running them like this they're going to be right on top of that heat sink and it might sit up too high hold up hold up I might run them like I used to

[02:00:53]    let's see because I don't want these boards to get too far apart okay so with them stacked up for the record this is not going to get done tonight I still have to put the grommets

[02:01:13]   into this VTX and that [@$#%] takes forever so if you're hoping to see the end of this build hope in one hand and [@$#%] in the other see which one fills up

[02:01:28]   first no these wires now that I'm going to leave the heat sink on this thing I can't have these wires running under there it becomes the the thickest point and that's going to have this

[02:01:49]   thing sitting up too high well maybe not maybe not what's hitting there that hits on that there actually is a little Gap there okay as long as I can keep oh but see the problem's going to be the

[02:02:08]   wires are going to cross over one another nah I'm going to run them straight like I used to damn it well the other option is to Loop them that way but now that no matter

[02:02:23]   what they're going to have to cross this okay that's fine that's fine all right on any other AO I I I think I'd be able to maybe not whatever doesn't matter it's fine it's

[02:02:40]   fine it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine let me just get these straightened out and so what is going to happen is that this this set of wires is going to go this set of four wires is going to go

[02:02:55]   like that the whole thing is going to reverse to hook up with these pads because yellow is TX and that hooks up no they're not they're going to individually this is going to be a pain

[02:03:07]   in the ass but whatever this build is is always and probably will always be a bit of a pain in the ass so let me get these wires cut down to the right length we want to cut them short but not too

[02:03:23]   short so they need to link up with those pads so I'm G to kind of loop them over here and I'm going to cut them back a little bit farther here so come on come on all right I'm

[02:03:39]   GNA slide this back a little bit and that should be plenty that's bordering on too long but I have a terrible habit of cutting these wires a little bit too short and so if I think it's too long

[02:03:57]   it's probably perfect n it's still too long but that's okay I'm actually going to leave them this length it'll be fine man I might [@$#%] thrash has me wanting a

[02:04:17]   Snickers bar now I might there's a gas station right up at the the end of the street it's open pretty late I might Buzz up there when this stream is done and get a goddamn Snickers bar it's

[02:04:31]   been a long time since I had a Snickers bar I stopped eating them when I found out that I have a food sensitivity to peanuts but like they don't have many peanuts in there and they're probably

[02:04:45]   fake like faux cheap ass peanuts it'll be fun fine usually strip wires with these Cutters but my fingernails are kind of [@$#%] up from all kinds of anxiety so I'm just going to

[02:05:06]   leave a little slit this and then I'm going to come in with my fingernails if you can strip only with your fingernails do it because your fingernails will never Nick the inner

[02:05:20]   metal strands of wire and when you Nick the inner strands of wire you're reducing that wire's throughput right and that's not a great thing it's not the end of the world if you only

[02:05:35]   Nick one or two but you Nick one or two of them and then that joint gets bent a bunch of times and a bunch of them break and then the cable completely lets go and then you

[02:05:45]   wish you had stripped it with your fingernails there's one individual strand that's too long on there now there isn't all right let's get these little bastards tinned

[02:06:00]   up I'm again going to do that off the end of the table you guys have seen me here it's not going to focus but I can at least sare at my crotch while I'm doing this I guess I don't

[02:06:18]   know this will show you the mechanics of what's happening is what I meant to say soldering iron under push the solder through from the top there you

[02:06:47]   go all right last one once you get to the last one you're almost just using the solder to push the wire down into the blob of solder on the tip of the iron that's

[02:07:00]   fine whatever gets it done you the these wires will only especially these little 30 gauge wires they will only pick up a tiny little bit of the of the solder the majority of it is going to be on the

[02:07:12]   pads and I'm good I have enough solder on these pads I did just notice though when I was removing the the the other wires I managed to bridge T4 and R4 so let's fix that real

[02:07:32]   quick all right good to go and then I got a nice blob on the ground Battery Plus could use a little bit more perfect all right so these are going to come in from the

[02:07:49]   outside it's kind of the only way because of how tight this build is I really don't like these double stack builds but it's there's kind of no other way and so I really really really try

[02:08:05]   hard to get the the two boards as close together as possible and that's why I solder these up from the outside like this so flip the board upside down because then you're going to mount it

[02:08:21]   you're going to rotate it like this right so flip it upside down and that'll put the wires roughly in the right spots and then you just got to deal with the fact that they cross over one

[02:08:34]   another and just like think about it yellow is TX which connects to RX so that one is not on the end the white one is on the end and I have to move this a little bit otherwise I'm not going to be

[02:08:50]   able to get this done these are outrageously small pads and so you guys might not be able to see what I'm doing but I just got to get it done so what did I

[02:09:06]   say yellow is TX and that is not going to go to the end so it's going to be white then yellow then red then black start off with white Walter White over here get them in little tweezers get

[02:09:32]   them perfectly placed and then bring in the heat tip of the soldering iron is there for heat it's not a poker to get things into the right position you need to use your left hand to get things into the

[02:09:56]   correct position and then you can use your right hands to bring the heat in there is maybe not quite enough solder on that joint let me just pick a little bit up with the tip of the

[02:10:19]   soldering iron and add just a little bit more probably fine but better safe then blown up so I'm going to need to hold this wire steady one of the cool ways of doing that when you have another wire

[02:10:42]   right next to it is to clamp them both so I can clamp down on both of these that's going to hold the wire where it is pick up a little bit of solder on the tip of the iron and just drop it onto

[02:10:53]   the pad that's much better hell all right then we've got battery I think right yep then we've got battery and then ground so let me just flip this over

[02:11:09]   and well no let's flip it over this way because this is how it's going to mount and we'll just take a look at at what's happening with these with these wires I don't want them to cross

[02:11:22]   but they are going to have to what did I say it was battery battery okay so there's a chance I have these RX and TXS reversed how the hell did that happen TX on the outside gray so

[02:11:49]   yellow can conects to RX yellow connects to RX now we're good okay cool so the red and black do have to cross over one another so let's do it crossover up on

[02:12:15]   top all right voltage first Jesus Christ come on there we go ah get out of there there it is stop it I pushed him out of the way and now I can't get him back to where I can there

[02:12:40]   it is okay here we go oh God this is pissing me off right now can everybody just stay right there there we go H I know you're not going to be able to see I'm just going to do this for you

[02:13:01]   better to have a top down than an out of focus dingdong all right grab the wire come in with my finger to point the wire downwards a little bit so that it sits flat on the

[02:13:17]   pad hang the silicone off the end of the pad just a little bit and bring in the heat again these pads are tiny on this aiio so just be careful be patient be chill and get it

[02:13:58]   right that ground pad was not bad although this wire is kind of janky hold on let me rework this one real quick hold on I'm taking that off all

[02:14:17]   right there we go that's better all right the solder keeps chasing the the tip of the soldering iron which means that there's no flux left so let's put a little tiny bit of flux on here

[02:14:42]   and we're just going to reheat The Joint one time real quick that will get the pad nice and hot and the solder won't keep trying to come with the tip of the soldering iron it'll

[02:14:52]   stay on the pad where it needs to be pad in The Wire I should say much better much much much better unbelievable how many things in soldering just adding flux

[02:15:12]   fixes all right so now this is a mistake I've made in the past you want to put an angle on these wires but for the love of God when you do that keep your thumbnail down on the

[02:15:29]   The Joint of the wire these pads are super fragile and do not push hard just super lightly create that angle on those wires the first one of these I broke I actually broke it to on two

[02:15:47]   separate occasions doing that this time I put like zero pressure so all right this is actually like a really those of you that have stayed this late are going to get a real

[02:15:59]   [@$#%] treat right now because this is this is like really sort of diving into soldering but this is actually super important all right you ready for a soldering gem can you

[02:16:17]   see how closely you can't see anything there is so much contrast for this [@$#%] camera to focus on there it goes all right you see how close to the to the board these wires are able to to

[02:16:39]   make an angle right in here see how like solder joint and then right off the pad they're able to make a 90 degree turn right someone is wondering how the hell that's possible because every single

[02:16:58]   time they solder a wire to a pad so if if these are the individual strands of wire and then right here is where the Silicon where my thumb is my thumb is where the silicone starts right

[02:17:15]   so I'll try to like put my thumb out a little bit whatever you guys got it right individual strands and then this is the silicone someone is like what the hell every single time I solder a joint

[02:17:26]   I can't bend that wire until like all the way back here the wire gets really hard up in here that's because you've spent too long on the solder joint or you've reused that wire when you put

[02:17:42]   this is now the tip of the soldering iron when you put the tip of the soldering iron on the individual strands of wire and there's some solder here that heat travels up the wire to the

[02:17:54]   point where if you're holding that wire with your bare fingers eventually you'll feel it and you'll have to let go of it because it'll get so hot solder travels towards heat and it spreads with heat so

[02:18:06]   if you put the tip of the soldering iron here and you're quick the solder will just stay here where the individual strands of wire are and then you've got all this wire with

[02:18:17]   the silicone that's nice and bendy if you hit's and let it sit here or you rework it two or three times or you're reusing wires that you've already put heat into these wires every single time you put

[02:18:31]   heat into the individual strands of wire a little bit more solder is going to trace up this silicone and a little bit more and a little bit more and a little bit more and that solder hardens and you

[02:18:43]   cannot bend this now and so the reason why I was able to get and the reason why I was kind of doing that slowly is cuz this has been a problem with this board if you're going to do this build

[02:18:56]   this is going to be a problem and so for example the first time that I did this build I was reusing the wires and I was being [@$#%] lazy and there was it was really hard up

[02:19:09]   here like there was the same width of the the individual strands there was a bunch of solder that was chased in here and that's why when I was trying to bend this wire it broke that pad off cuz the

[02:19:23]   solder had chased up here I was trying to not have to put a fresh set of wires on there and welcome to the game so that [@$#%] is important if you've ever got a scenario where as soon as the

[02:19:38]   silicone starts you need it to bend you need to have a fresh bit of wire you need to be quick when you're when you're tinning that wire and you need to be quick when you get that wire on the pad

[02:19:50]   what that means realistically is that you flux the wire you flux the pad you tin the wire as quick as you can you tin the PAD as quick as you can you reflux the pad you

[02:20:04]   reflux the wire now that it's tinned both of which are tinned you get that wire perfectly into position with tweezers or with your fingers reliably not shaking no [@$#%] it has to be

[02:20:19]   ready to go you bring the tip of the soldering iron in you melt the whole thing you get the hell off that pad and you're done that's how you get a wire that is nice and flexible where the

[02:20:30]   silicone starts you typically don't really need that but this is a perfect example where I need that these wires are going on the outside of the pad and then they're

[02:20:40]   looping up and going over the top board and so there you go that's a super common thing the more and the more time you rework the more times you rework a wire the farther down that

[02:20:56]   silicone that that solder is going to travel and it's going to be hard as a rock down there so if you can just cut it off and restart restrip it retin it and then you'll and then it'll be nice

[02:21:08]   and flexible at the silicone sometimes you can't do that because you're using wires that are already the exact right length like motor wires are like this right it's one of the

[02:21:18]   reasons that I like arm LEDs is because I don't have one big run of wire from the motor I've got a short run from the arm led to the ESC if it's starting to get screwed up if that wires I can just

[02:21:31]   remove that one replace it away you go it's a lot more work but it's got its it's got its pluses Tokyo Dom's in the house he says I missed the start here why are we running everything

[02:21:43]   the long way around walks no wires going over the whole board maybe curling around the side of the board it is a balance of where I want the UFL port to be the main thing though where where

[02:21:59]   the UFL Port is but the main thing is I'm getting these two boards as flat as I possibly can to one another so on the bottom side of this board just there's a button there's the bind

[02:22:13]   button and then there's the the heat shield and then there's the mippy bracket and this this dis orientation allows me to get these two boards as slammed together as I possibly can while

[02:22:28]   still having the UFL on top so I can actually plug and unplug the antenna without having to pull the whole stack apart and also oh that's the main reason that's the main reason I'm doing it that way I

[02:22:44]   don't love having the the the heat sink in between the boards but I hate having a UFL in between the boards a lot more than that and so that's why it's got sort of a weird orientation

[02:23:01]   it's all about getting these boards as close together so that the camera is down as as low as possible so that there's some chance of durability because as soon as

[02:23:13]   you add this second board the forces going through the the posts in the frame go bananas and you start breaking these posts off and crashes and it's just so annoying when

[02:23:25]   that happens this thing is now good to go it's 12:30 I don't have it in me to do another 4our live stream like I did on Monday sorry guys but that is now good to go the only [@$#%] that I need

[02:23:38]   to do at this point is the really annoying stuff it's getting the grommets into the WalkSnail VTX and then it's just [@$#%] putting everything together I'll I'll either do that

[02:23:51]   tonight when I inevitably can't sleep or maybe tomorrow I won't do it tomorrow because I'm going to hang with Patrick maybe during the day tomorrow I'll do it but by the next live stream the 2S walks

[02:24:03]   snail 75mm build should be back together and I should have some info on The Zing 0803 19,000 KV Motors that feedback is almost certainly going to be I crashed it once and the motor shaft's

[02:24:19]   bent because that was my experience using these motors on the tiny lifters eons ago but you never know maybe not I doubt it though togy Dom also says for soldering motor wires where there is

[02:24:34]   a through hole or a castellated pad I prefer wicking into the wire I prefer wicking into the wire because prevents the wires breaking right at the Joint what do you mean by that what do you

[02:24:44]   mean wicking into the wire you mean solder Wick to remove the the solder stuff with Caleb says I'm new to the Hobby and I'm looking for the best 65mm freestyle quad ideas Mobula 6

[02:24:58]   2024 lit or OG Mobula 6 or something else stuff with Caleb first and foremost there's no such thing as best there are different parts different pieces different BNF's that do

[02:25:11]   certain things better than others but there's never best never ever ever when you are inevitably on Facebook groups and or Reddit looking for advice if anybody ever says that something is

[02:25:24]   the best ignore everything that they say also keep in mind that I'm not exaggerating more than 50% of the information on Facebook groups and Reddit is dead ass wrong you want to

[02:25:38]   look for people that have actually been doing this for a long time some of us have YouTube channels Andor like followings but you can't always trust that there there are plenty

[02:25:48]   of people with thousands and thousands and thousands of Subs on Instagram or YouTube or wherever that don't know [@$#%] about [@$#%] it's difficult it is difficult to find people that actually

[02:26:00]   know what's what and are willing to share that information like by the time people learn learn this stuff sometimes they'll get hired sometimes they just decide like I don't want to like I busted my

[02:26:15]   ass to get all this info I'm not just going to give it away to some new jerk that's trying to come into the hobby like a lot of people have that sort of an approach which is just and I

[02:26:25]   guess I get it but it's pretty awful so be super super super careful if you're brand new to the Hobby what I can tell you is that the very first build that you buy or custom build

[02:26:46]   you're not going to have it forever so don't get super nuts about like I have to get the perfect thing or else I'm an idiot and I'm not going to be able to fly withth a [@$#%] and it's going to make

[02:26:58]   you know flying uncomfortable and impossible to learn that's not true at all every single one of us have one two three four quads in a row that were terrible that sit in a box and and

[02:27:10]   they're whatever it's a blast from the past years on to look at them but so get that out of your head you're you're not necessarily going to even be able to tell the difference

[02:27:20]   between the best possible quad and the worst possible quad because you're new as a new person all that matters is getting stick time so all you actually want is the most durable quad

[02:27:34]   because again all that matters is flying it as much as possible so the best flying rig is completely wasted on anyone that's like within their first year or so of the hobby you might think

[02:27:47]   that it would make it easier to learn it really doesn't these things break pretty often so durability needs to be really high on your list if you want to actually be able to learn because

[02:27:57]   basically the way that it works is that you put as much time into the simulator as possible that's massively important and then when you go to fly for real your anxiety level goes through the roof

[02:28:07]   you can't fly worth a [@$#%] compared to what you were doing in the simulator you get frustrated you crash it's gets run over whatever it gets broken you order replacement parts and you wait and that

[02:28:19]   weight weight is the is the problem that is where you lose all of your time and sure you go into the simulator and you learn some stuff but flying for real is even like it doesn't matter 5 in tiny

[02:28:33]   whoop whatever just flying for real is where you are going to learn like 90% maybe a little bit less than that but and so durability is massive having a bunch of batteries is massive

[02:28:47]   and then if you really want to get into it having a full set of replacement parts which very quickly turns into just a second identical build is the way to go because then you fly the main one when

[02:29:00]   it inevitably breaks you fly the backup one you fly it as gently as you possibly can while you're waiting for that main one to get fixed once you have the main one fixed you start flying that again

[02:29:10]   you fly it hard and you fly it until it CRA until you break it again and then you fly this the backup one if you need to you can cannibalize the backup one to fix the main one whatever

[02:29:20]    those are the those are the the the the tips and tricks that will keep you in this Hobby and teach you as quickly as possible to get comfortable if you can stay in this for a year or two you

[02:29:35]   can get good enough to where you kind of actually feel like you're flying and that's where it becomes absolute magic and that's the crack cocaine that will keep you that has kept me into this

[02:29:47]   hobby for over eight years now Joshua Bardwell is going to be the main resource for you there is nobody better at getting new pilots up in the air so get super familiar watch as many

[02:30:00]   of his videos as you possibly can you're not going to understand a lot of them but that's okay there's going to be a bunch of connections that get made and then there's going to be another a bunch

[02:30:10]   of little wires in your brain that get close to connecting but they're not quite there the third time that you hear that same thing that you didn't understand it'll connect so there's this

[02:30:19]   is an incredibly time intensive hobby so if you have the time to put in you can stick with it and it'll be magic welcome this FP I I've done a lot of things in my life I'm 43

[02:30:35]   years old now I grew up playing drums got really good at that I'm just the type of person that gets really good at [@$#%] the the magic is is in like the meta of stuff so I have to put

[02:30:51]   thousand plus hours in before I I'm even remotely satisfied drums photography videography Motorsport Airsoft and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few others FPV is unlike any of them each one of

[02:31:08]   those Hobbies i' I've remembered thinking like man this is really hard this is really hard so keep that in mind it's going to you're going to quit hopefully you'll

[02:31:23]   sleep on it and wake up and unquit I've I've quit this hobby four times to give you some idea most people have quit at least twice Toyo D says solder wicking seeping up the wire it

[02:31:37]   makes the stiffness taper off instead of being a single Pivot Point responding to your points about being quick on tinning wires I I I I I'm reading I I I think I'm reading what

[02:31:54]   you're saying wrong Tokyo D because what what I thought you were saying is that you wanted to get the solder to Wick up the silicone but which is why I was like please clarify but now it I think

[02:32:10]   we're just I think we're just wording I think words are hard I know words are hard I think we're just using the wrong words between the two of us cuz I think I think you're saying what I'm

[02:32:20]   saying right is don't let the solder Wick up the silicone Dexter says what do you think of flashing am32 since the market is full of BL 32 is it really a pain in the S it is on some esc's it's not

[02:32:36]   even possible on the ones that it is possible it's a complete pain in the ass you are soldering to the infinitely small little round pads that are in between a bunch of other components that

[02:32:47]   if you hit just wrong with a so iron you've destroyed the entire ESC so in my opinion if it's a BL hly 32 ESC that has a recent enough version of BL hly 32 that it is usable just use it

[02:33:02]   it's going to die at some point anyway am32 is a little tiny bit better but is nowhere near enough of a performance Improvement to Warrant the pain in the ass that is flashing a BL heli 32 to

[02:33:16]   ESC to am32 eventually that bl32 ESC will die as they all do and then you can replace it with an AM am32 and a away you go so Ste Caleb says thank you you're certainly welcome Tokyo Dom says

[02:33:29]    sorry I mean that for motor wires I do want solder seeping up the motor wire really wny do you want so I have this problem with motor wires as well where but the way that I solder on a

[02:33:49]   motor wire is if if the ESC is here I put the motor wire onto the pad and then I bend the silicone down so I'll show you I'm sure you have a really good reason for it I'm very very

[02:34:04]   curious all right so here's how I do motor wires and this is a I do it this way for durability this is the most durable way that I've found to set the motor wires up what I've

[02:34:17]   found is that when I go crashing through trees and all the the branches do this right and so if you've ever wondered why your your motor wires get like cuts and [@$#%] in them all over the

[02:34:30]   place it's not it's not from the propellers the the propellers will cut them there but like your motor wires will get Cuts up here and they'll get cuts out here it's like how the hell is

[02:34:40]   that happening it's from the branches I'm pretty sure it's from the branches it's from those scraggle the scraggle branch is doing this right when when you go crashing through the tree and so for

[02:34:48]   me I try to get these motor I hate replacing these so I try to get them as scraggle free as possible right if you look at this from the top the way the scraggly branches are going to try

[02:35:01]   to eat them it's they're completely out of the way right so one of the problems I have is when I've worked and reworked these wires a couple times when the solder Wicks down the wire and down the

[02:35:14]   the silicone insulation I can you can see it right here it's happening right here right you see how it's there I can't get let's try let me try to get a little more of a bend on

[02:35:26]   this let me get a little bit more but I try to I I want these wires to bend at the silicone so I can wrap them around the ESC to get them out of the way you can see it's happening here

[02:35:40]   as well but I just get lazy I get lazy and I don't want to replace the this wire run but in in a perfect world I would replace these every single time I swap this ESC out I would replace

[02:35:51]   these wires cuz I actually don't want the solder to Wick down this silicone because I want to bend this silicone are you maybe feeding your W A lot of people Fe run the wires through here and then

[02:36:04]   they do that little that little loop around and then they run the wires is that what you're up to I'm sure you're telling me in the in the chat right now but that that's why I

[02:36:16]   I've I've yet to come across a situation where I want the the solder to Wick down the silicone which again is why I'm super interested as to why you want that so let's see let's see what Tom has

[02:36:31]   to say I mean that for rotor wires I do want but for project okay definitely Dexter says do you use high V batteries what does that mean what's a high V battery High volt

[02:36:45]   High volt batteries are frag basically we run them on the tiny whoops because we are performance limited any other rig that's not performance limited basically like any other rig any

[02:37:02]   non tiny whoop don't run High volt batteries unless you have a very specific reason to they are a little bit lighter for the amount of Mah that's crammed into them but because of that

[02:37:14]   there's no free lunches and they just don't last as long they're not nearly as durable so only use them if you absolutely have to Toyo says so if no solder seeps up there will be a

[02:37:26]   single pivot point I can break that wire super easily by wiggling it back and forth about five times okay fair enough when you have wicking you can't break it okay I I see what you're saying I see

[02:37:38]   what you're saying now so that's a really good point although that that just moves that potential break point down the silicone a little bit but in theory depending on on the situation

[02:37:50]   where it's sitting that could be better I I what I've found to be the most durable setup is to have the the strands of wire and the silicone the strands of wire just the the silicone

[02:38:08]   stop at the very end of the pad so that if there's a bend and this is more about stripping off only the tiniest little bit of silicone that you need what I found is that the silicone

[02:38:22]   starts here and the end of the pad is right here so that the the silicone is what bends and what I find is that if you can get the silicone buted right up against the pad there's not room and and

[02:38:38]   also the the solder blob I want the solder blob to end exactly at the silicone and if I can do that then if this is the silic this does all the bending and the the the silicone itself prevents the bending

[02:38:55]   from being really sharp where where I find the wires break it's when there's a gap there you got your solder blob and then you have a naked bit of the individual strands of wires and then you

[02:39:08]   have the silicone start and so that naked bit of the individual strands of wires that's what just bends and it just that breaks super prematurely I've found that if I can get that

[02:39:20]   silicone all the way up against that solder blob the silicone will bend gently and that will really make those wires last like kind of forever it seems the problem with doing that is if those

[02:39:35]   do Bend they're going to if those do break they're going to break inside the silicone and I'm not going to be able to see them so there's there's different schools of thought here I love what

[02:39:43]   you're saying though that that's super interesting letting the solder Wick down into that strengthen that bit of the wire and then that sort of does the same thing that I'm saying it's you know

[02:39:57]   you're you're into the this is all silicone here the solder has Wicked down into the silicone so this ain't going to break here and then this is going to bend with the silicone and that's going

[02:40:08]   to do the same thing that I'm saying where it bends it gradually which is much easier on those individual strands of wire very cool very cool stuff Dom Toyo Dam says I know that

[02:40:21]   all the solder guides say don't let it Wick up the wire but my experience is that vibration causes have to have resistance to Breaking from vibration so my father worked at Princeton

[02:40:33]   plasma Fusion lab he literally worked on a plasma Fusion reactor hey was an electrical technician for 30 plus years Princeton actually sent him to a weeklong NASA soldering school right so

[02:40:51]   my dad is like Ultra soldering ninja right he taught originally taught me how to solder and then just kind of turned me loose and I started working on these things crashing these

[02:41:03]   things fixing them crashing them fixing them crashing them fixing them crashing them many years later when he saw what I was doing first of all he was really impressed at

[02:41:14]   how small the work that we do is which was like damn okay I mean it makes sense the plasma Fusion reactor was the size of a [@$#%] building and it was huge right so he would show me this work that

[02:41:26]   he would do with the big [@$#%] fat wires and [@$#%] with like big solder pads and it just crazy stuff but he also said like I I started to like ask him what am I doing wrong

[02:41:41]   like look at this joint is this is this right is this wrong like what am I doing not perfectly you're the master that learned right from NASA yada yada yada and what he said to me like blew my mind

[02:41:52]   he's like look you're basically what he said is that different scenarios require different skills and techniques and so what you're doing and at the at the time

[02:42:06]   it was like what you've been doing for years now you've figured that out so me telling you the right way to do it right again there is no right there is just

[02:42:16]   different hit like the the way that ASA trained him to do it's doesn't make sense for us we're not sending these things into space if we were we would tin the pad we would take the solder Wick we would

[02:42:30]   remove as much solder as we possibly can from the pad and then we would retin the pad think about that [@$#%] think about if every single time you tin a pad or tin a wire you then redid that whole process

[02:42:45]   how [@$#%] annoying would that be there's no reason for us to do that so we don't do it we're not sending these things to space they don't have to live for a 100 years they have to live for

[02:42:55]   100 days if we're lucky before we annihilate them and we have to rebuild them right and so the work that we're and what he said is like the work that you're doing like this is it this

[02:43:05]   is how you guys you as an FPV Community figure out the perfect way of doing this [@$#%] and this is why we have these this is why when when Tokyo d a minute ago was like let it Wick up I'm like what

[02:43:16]   tell me more why right like we are all figuring this this out for ourselves the there's a differentiation here though a lot of people they're figuring out for themselves but they're

[02:43:27]   they're doing two things they're maybe sort of gatekeeping and they don't want to tell other people and or they're just not paying attention that's to me that's the big point I have paid attention to

[02:43:38]   this [@$#%] from day one because I got very lucky and had my dad to show me this stuff and just have this analytical brain mixed with a little bit of laziness of like I want to build this

[02:43:50]   [@$#%] and not have to [@$#%] with it I don't like working on these I don't like repairing them I'm going to do whatever it takes to spend a little bit more time on the front end in ways that make sense

[02:44:01]   so that they can be as durable as possible and that's what we've all been doing it's just are you willing to share that info and are you paying attention enough and a part

[02:44:14]   of that paying attention enough is also like working your ass off to get the placebo out because I try a new technique and I fly it and two batteries in The Wire breaks

[02:44:26]   off you're going to think the new technique was bad but maybe it was just a random chance you got to do it again and you got to do it again and you got to do it again and again right you got

[02:44:36]   to get enough of a sample size there and I don't know it's makes it difference in in in in my opinion and in my experience and in seeing a lot of people that don't pay pay attention to

[02:44:49]   this stuff have a really hard time with wires breaking off popping off pads pads ripping off quads that are just totally unreliable like the people that complain the most

[02:45:03]   about like constantly fixing stuff and their [@$#%] being like super unreliable tends to be the people that didn't take the time to learn this stuff and you look at their soldering and

[02:45:13]   you're like oh my God how does that work at all right like of course your [@$#%] breaks every three batteries and you're not even crashing hard right that's another huge thing in the mix

[02:45:26]   that makes this even more confusing how often and how hard do you crash right I crash all the time and really hard and so for me this [@$#%] matters if you just throw these things up in the air and

[02:45:39]   just cruise around and you crash like once every hundred batteries it doesn't make nearly as much of a difference like you you don't have to pay as much attention to this stu

[02:45:51]   so there you go those of you that stuck around to the end just got some this is the kind of stuff that that I'll dive into on these Fiverr calls where like people are willing

[02:46:05]   to spend like hours with me on the phone the these are the things that have taken me hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours to learn that like I'm a little bit careful with diving into on

[02:46:18]   live streams because I will just watch the number of viewers dump when I start having these conversations if it's the end of a stream most people have bailed already anyway so it's kind of like what the

[02:46:29]   hell I'll dive into it but I I there you go last couple of comments and I got to shut this down I got something to eat I'm really hungry and I'm worried that this gas station's going to close

[02:46:42]   at 1: a.m. Tokyo do says so if no solder seeps up oh we got that we talked about that Tokyo Dom thank you for for explaining yourself there I knew that we just weren't wording correctly

[02:46:54]    Max L says I run the wires behind the stand so I think he goes inside of the ESC and then comes out so when you break an arm it won't rip the pads off the way that I do it by

[02:47:08]   wrapping the wires around and then going 90° and then going down the arms that 90 deess gives those wires enough length to we arm breaks it doesn't rip the wires off the it doesn't rip the pads off and

[02:47:22]   it doesn't rip the wires off the pads I don't run the wires on the inside and then and then Loop them because those wires are heavy and also a lot of times that prevents you from getting that

[02:47:36]   flight controller as flat against the ESC as you can I tend to run really slammed builds so I I slam all the components so I can get the deck height down that gives you better center of

[02:47:47]   gravity and it actually helps en craft crashes from the the frame like parallelogram and banging up all the all the standoffs there's not a right or wrong way of do it doing it there's

[02:47:59]   different ways of doing it that have different benefits my way is the lightest possible it still maintains that durability and allows me to run a lower deck height those are the things

[02:48:09]   that I've prioritized the running it inside of the ESC I did a bunch and I love the way it looks and I love the amount of extra wire that it gives you but with arml s that extra wire doesn't

[02:48:20]   really matter as much anymore right so again lots and lots of pros and cons just FPV with the last comment of the live stream he says WalkSnail or HD zero for tiny whoops for a 65mm

[02:48:34]   freestyle 1S build which one do you think is better no such thing as better just different also thank you for advice last time about the air 65 there replace the quad for me nice

[02:48:45]    WalkSnail has better way better image quality hold on let me at least give two Pros to WalkSnail way better image quality that's usually the only plus that somebody needs if they want that image

[02:49:01]   quality that that they're going to do it way better image quality because of that better image quality you can see farther ahead being able to see farther ahead if you're flying smoothly will

[02:49:16]   allow you to make a correction earlier so so the the extra latency doesn't matter you can always you can almost always see enough far you can with with

[02:49:30]   03 old school DJI and WalkSnail if you're flying somewhat straight you can see farther enough ahead as long as you've trained yourself to look ahead that's a big thing a lot of people

[02:49:47]   will look at what right in front of them and then what's like right here is like a surprise right you have to train yourself to look ahead right if you're looking ahead the digital systems will

[02:50:01]   offset the latency because you will be able to see more clearly right and so the better image quality is not just for if you're going to do an edit and you want it to look good it also can make

[02:50:17]   you a better pilot that's if you're doing a lot of flying straight straight ahead where you're able to look around with your eyes and see farther because the image quality is

[02:50:29]   better analog and walks and hd0 have lower latency so if you're flying along and someone walks in front of you lower latency wins because you can make the correction quicker and get the hell out

[02:50:44]   of the way being able to see farther ahead does not help you in that scenario all right also if you're flying backwards if you're sliding sideways something that you're about to

[02:50:55]   run into is going to enter the frame lower latency wins lower latency also feels better there you go there's a lot of the pluses and minus that those are the most important things in my opinion to

[02:51:13]   choosing between WalkSnail and hd0 H I forgot a huge one WalkSnail is a six G weight penalty all of a sudden as of a couple of days ago hd0 is like a 2 and2 G weight penalty with the new AIO so

[02:51:30]   godamn is that interesting Kevin suner ordered me one of those new aios that should have been here two days ago but Georgia has lost their damn Minds and we have like the

[02:51:45]   worst postal system ever apparently which just doesn't deliver [@$#%] so I don't know maybe I'll get it tomorrow maybe never I'll be checking it out the the a WalkSnail tiny whoop is a

[02:51:58]   little tiny cine whoop it is not that much of a freestyle rig anymore you can put 702 40,000 on it and it makes good power but it annihilates batteries you get less than two minutes of runtime

[02:52:12]    and it's hard on the batteries so a WalkSnail freestyle rig it's rough and it and it kind of doesn't really exist to me for freestyle it's analog because analog is

[02:52:29]   cheap it's low latency and freestyle is not really necessarily cinematic freestyle is about holy [@$#%] he just Dove that ladder and shot through a gap that's only this big what it looks like

[02:52:43]   when you're doing that doesn't matter as much as the fact that you did it and for most people nobody wants to watch their flight footage so what do you care what it looks like right You can put up a

[02:52:56]   freestyle edit where you're flying is amazing and it's in analog and just as many people will watch it as if you were in WalkSnail or carrying a GoPro around or or whatever freestyle is about the

[02:53:09]   flying skills not what the flight footage looks like and so that's how you decide between WalkSnail and hd0 the hd0 AIO it all the reviews make it seem it's awesome but it's

[02:53:26]   expensive and it's almost certainly not going to be as durable as analog because it's the first one of its kind and analog's been around forever so to me I still think it's analog I still

[02:53:40]   think freestyle and Tiny whoop is analog if you have the money the WalkSnail setup becomes a lot less a lot more realistic but there's still a weight penalty there's still a

[02:53:55]   two and a half gram weight penalty and that's a lot in the world of tiny whoops so what matters most to you if nobody's wa if you're flying for fun why does the footage have to look

[02:54:09]   good hd0 is going to look a little bit better than analog so you are going to be able to see down the street a little bit more to see the Gap earlier but you're going to be heavier so

[02:54:23]   when you go to make that correction to actually make it through the Gap you're going to have more weight to push around and that makes it harder to get through the

[02:54:31]   Gap analog for life my friends maybe there is no better there's just different analog is the cheapest and the lightest hd0 is expensive the second lightest and the second best video

[02:54:49]   quality WalkSnail is the best video quality same amount of money as hd0 pretty much and whatever the third thing is thanks for hanging friends I'm gonna go to Snickers bar if they're still

[02:55:06]   opened love you bye no hold on I'm not ready here's some more flying I don't know what it's flying of why am I turning these off whatever it's fine I think this is my guess is well hold

[02:55:20]   on I I I think I did a pretty good job today telling my future self what I was about to fly last but not least we've got 802 25,000 KV rig in the meteor 802 25,000 on a 75mm build enjoy my friends

[02:55:45]    I'm going to try to get another edit up tomorrow but no promises love you bye see you Friday at 7 n n a he