[00:03:34]   hey friends my name is Aaron Ciotti that was a smooth one everybody calls me Ciotti welcome to fresh hell Friday the Mobula 7 DJI 04 rig problems have

[00:03:51]   begun and we're going to dive into them tonight happy Valentine's Day you filthy animals let me hit a couple of buttons here patrons you guys have a link an early link to an

[00:04:05]   edit DJI my first DJI 04 edit from the first two batteries on the Mobil 704 over on Discord on the on the patreon what's it called patreon chat patreon Patron

[00:04:22]   hangout H Patron hangout that's what it's called there's a link to it's pretty much done when I couldn't sleep in the middle of the night in the middle of the night last night I

[00:04:34]   blitzed through a quick edit because I wanted to have a bunch of this footage in Premiere to show you guys the to show you guys the the problem that I've been talking about where the flight

[00:04:50]   footage kind of looks like a flip book because you're missing frames when you record at 60 frames a second or 100 frames a second and then you edit down into like

[00:05:02]   standard 30 frames a second you just lose frames in between at 60 frames a second you lose every other frame so if the camera is going like this you're going to get a frame and you're going to

[00:05:14]   miss a frame you're going to get a frame you're going to miss a frame and so it makes it go like and at 100 frames it's even worse cuz you've like got a frame no frame no frame got a frame no frame

[00:05:25]   no frame got a frame this is one of the inherent problems with flying through the same camera that collects your HD footage and there's really not much I mean the the closest thing that we have to a

[00:05:43]   solution is if you edit with your sequence settings at 60 frames which I don't really like to do and then when you export you export in 60 frames you upload that to YouTube and YouTube will play back at 60

[00:06:04]   frames if you've got a 60 a monitor or a TV or something that's 60 htz which not everybody does any monitors any TVs anything that's playing back at 30 htz that's 30 frames a second even if the

[00:06:23]   file on YouTube is in 60 it's only going to play back in 30 and you're going to have that same problem all over again and so th this this is a problem that we had

[00:06:40]   with with the footage coming out of the WalkSnail system but it wasn't as noticeable because the quality is not as good it's kind of interesting now that like now that the image quality is

[00:07:01]   so good on 04 this becomes very noticeable only really the the it's mainly noticeable with freestyle because we're moving a lot namely yaw we're doing a lot of yaw a

[00:07:16]   lot of jawing and when you yaw the entire screen shifts right like when you roll it's just the outsides that move a lot and so it's not that Noti notable when you pitch it's pretty noticeable cuz the

[00:07:32]   whole screen shoves up and down but for whatever reason like we don't we don't tend to pitch a lot right we yaw a lot and so I I I also hate editing and I hate doing everything at 60 frames a

[00:07:50]   second it's so much like less cinematic and it's just I don't like it 30 frames is what looks really good to me this is like one of the main arguments to having a separate action

[00:08:08]   camera and then a separate FPV system you set the action camera to 30 frames a second and you're good to go you don't have any of those skipped frames in the middle again I'll show you guys in a

[00:08:19]   little bit what that looks like and why it's just sort of annoying is this me being picky for sure but when I show it to you you'll be like oh okay actually I'm going to show it to

[00:08:36]   you right now so this is the the quick little edit that I did here and so if I go full screen and I'm going to fast forward up here so let me turn this down so I don't

[00:08:54]   get copyright donged okay so this is footage that's 1080 100 frames a second so this makes it super obvious and we're going to come up here and so this is going to be at full speed

[00:09:12]   all right so this is full speed and so when I go a frame forward it doesn't look that bad right now right but now see how I'm moving faster look how much everything moves in between each frame

[00:09:25]   right there's a big gap in between each frame big gap big gap look at Sage's car here ready it moves from there all the way over to there the computer is [@$#%] its

[00:09:39]   pants come on God damn it all right let's try this again there we go so I'm yawing a bunch here right look at the look how much the car moves it moves all the way there to

[00:09:53]   there and there's no motion blur in between to connect it's just a big jump everything just jumps jump jump jump jump and there is motion blur right like look at all this motion blur that

[00:10:04]   there is but there's not enough motion blur to connect to make up for the missing frames right so this is at 100% speed when I Dro it and again this sequence is in 30 frames a second when I

[00:10:22]   fast forward I'm going to move forward a little bit here now I've gone to 50% speed all right and so now we're losing half as many frames so again Watch Sage's car we've still got some motion

[00:10:34]   blur watch how much the car moves it still moves a good chunk right but it's not as much there's a lot less missing fields in between each frame here all right and now I'm going to go all the

[00:10:49]   way up here and I'm going to drop it down to 30% speed which 100 frames at 30% is down to you don't lose any frames and so now like the motion blur connects each frame and so you see the jumps in

[00:11:06]   between each frame are a lot smaller because we are capturing all of the frames now and so here's what that looks like here's what each jump looks like ready so this is at

[00:11:18]   100% jump jump jump jump jump jump jump jump jump watch how this Smooths out 50% look how much smoother that is it's a little bit's does look a little bit smoother because we're going

[00:11:30]   to 50% speed but hopefully you can see how like the jumps in between the frames are a lot less now you're going to really be able to notice it when I drop from 50% down to 30% ready watch this

[00:11:45]   here it comes see that see that massive difference and I mean we're only going from 50% to 30% but it's those jumps in between those frames it's those missing frames that make it look so much

[00:12:05]   smoother I'll do I I I planned on doing some more testing with this today and flying around in 30 frames a second but unfortunately some issues have have Arisen which which we're going to

[00:12:26]   talk about in a little bit but let me say hi to Curtis Hayes he was the first one in the chat Spaceman spiff na Adams Chuck P LOL the kesen captain FPV Nate Adams RC Thrills Matthew

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[00:14:56]   me and I'll keep doing cool [@$#%] helping you guys out in the chat Uriel tagged me and said I took a great I took a great dump today Curtis hay says is more motion blur

[00:15:09]   between frames caused when running a Snap-On ND filter all an ND filter does is allow the the shutter to open up for a longer period of time if you're using auto shutter I am not using auto shutter

[00:15:30]   on any of this stuff that you've been watching I am locking the shutter speed in and so for me the only thing that an ND filter would do is it would allow me to run the shutter speed

[00:15:45]   slower none of the problems that I'm having would be solved with an ND filter I am locking the shutter speed as slow as it can be for the frame rate that I'm flying and filming at the problem is

[00:16:04]   that in order to get low latency we have to fly at 100 frames a second and then so when you put it into a sequence that's 30 frames a second or you upload to Youtube at 30 frames a

[00:16:16]   second or it plays back on a monitor or TV or whatever that's 30 frames a second you lose those frames in between so the solution is to fly around at 30 30 frames a second but

[00:16:31]   unfortunately as Rosser very kindly tested for us the the where the hell is it hold on here it is why did it stop playing there it is unfortunately when we go to 30

[00:16:57]   frames a second the latency skyrockets the latency goes all the way up to 6194 or 6497 depending if you're 4K or 1080 and so flying around in 30 frames a second is quite challenging because of the

[00:17:17]   latency and so this is just a problem for us like this is just a problem this is the problem of having the same camera Cera be your HD and your FPV the same camera the same sensor right and there's

[00:17:37]   really no solution to this the the the closest thing that we have to a solution is flying around 60 frames a second the latency doesn't jump up that bad and then editing in 60 frames a

[00:17:49]   second and uploading to YouTube in 60 frames a second and hoping that everybody that watches either changes the quality setting to 60 or YouTube's automatic thing does it for them your

[00:18:05]   file sizes double like when you export that footage it's in 60 instead of 30 it is literally twice as big your uploads double everything doubles right which is kind of annoying and I

[00:18:19]   said earlier I don't like the way that 60 frames a second looks I like the way that 30 frames a second looks a lot better that is a personal preference kind of thing the biggest problem is

[00:18:31]   those gaps in between the frames when we're at the lowest latency 100 frames a second mode and so this is this is something that we with with freestyle FPV

[00:18:49]   having a lot of fast movement this becomes an issue for us an issue that becomes more noticeable with the higher quality cameras right we actually have this issue a little bit

[00:19:05]   with analog analog is 60 frames a second but we don't notice it because it looks like ass so the gaps in between frames everything's all blurry anyway so you don't even notice it

[00:19:18]    super interesting that this is such a that this is like jumping out and becoming so obvious all of a sudden not super surprising but red

[00:19:31]   plumps red plump he says one of my Motors on my 75mm whoop is louder and grindier than the others testing them on BetaFlight without the props I can see that I can see that one motor is

[00:19:43]   6,000 RPM slower is it repairable not really you can try to pull it apart which is difficult in and of itself and you can clean it all out you can also just throw some like

[00:19:58]    motor Lube at it the best possible Lube is going to be a dry lube mountain bikers use it on their chains any kind of like very thin Lube is going to work but it's going to get

[00:20:13]   flung out best bet is just to replace the motor hopefully it's a motor that you can buy just one individual replacement and it'll cost you like 10 bucks I don't recommend that you that

[00:20:25]   you grease these motors because they spin so fast they throw the grease everywhere and then the grease attracts dirt and it usually makes the situation worse but those are your options

[00:20:35]   there Uriel says as long as CiottiFPV men Seance me I'm alive or On the Run Christopher blackl says hello my sky boys and CiottiFPV I'm here I hate missing it but when I do still watch and

[00:20:55]   right now I'm driving all the fun things you're not supposed to try at home lster says 108030 more more latency than 4K 30 I don't think so usually when the usually when the

[00:21:10]    oh look at that I'll be damned 108030 is slightly higher you're not going to notice this difference though this like three Mill at with with the latencies up this high you're you're not

[00:21:21]   going to notice three or four Mill seconds that's interesting though that it is I guess what that means is that they've really optimized everything for 4K that's the only way that makes any

[00:21:34]   sense oh no it's just at 30 frames the rest of them no no they all have slightly higher or the same latency at 1080 that's interesting I guess they really have it optimized for

[00:21:47]   to run in 4k what's up Rays so that's the deal what else is happening all right so let's since I am caught up on chat this is going to be a little bit of a shorter live stream because I want to go hang

[00:22:05]   out with Maggie and get some dinner and whatnot Island RPV says what a whoop that's tuned somewhat aggressively say master multiplier 1.5 or 1.6 behave any any differently than a stock tune in

[00:22:16]   very windy conditions it's actually a really good question when you push the sliders up what that is doing is that it's allowing the PID Loop to attack the problems sooner earlier

[00:22:38]   quicker it doesn't affect how much power it puts that's what the pidm determines but by the fact that it's going to start pushing against the problem earlier it appears to push harder

[00:22:57]   because it pushes earlier and then that push builds up right like you push a little bit like it just builds up it can't instantly push hard enough and so you've got a windy day and

[00:23:12]   the wind is is is creating a weird aerodynamic situation and that's making the build want to do this with more aggressive pids every single time the wind makes it move around and go off of set point set

[00:23:29]   point is where your sticks are so let's say you're cruising Straight Ahead your sticks are dead center set point is Dead Ahead the wind starts blowing it pushes it up pushes it's Wiggles wiggle wiggle

[00:23:41]   wiggle with an aggressive pit tune every single time that the wind pushes on it earlier than a loose pit tune it's going to push against that to try to keep it keep it

[00:23:56]   solid if the tune is aggressive enough to keep it dead solid depending on how nasty the wind is it's going to be pushing hard and that's what we want because we don't want it to flop all over the damn

[00:24:12]   place if the PID tune is backed off enough that it's not responding quick enough to keep the damn thing from bobbling around then that that power is not going to build up and it's not going to use as

[00:24:30]   much power so the pro you're going to see the wind pushing it all around but it's not going to create as much motor heat right because it's not pushing early enough to take care of it a rig

[00:24:44]   that never ever ever goes off set point and it's always absolutely dialed that's going to have a pit tune especially like in the wind right that's going to have a pit tune that's very

[00:24:55]   aggressive that aggressive p p tun is going to eat batteries and it's going to push hard and create motor heat because it has to in order to keep it absolutely locked in there are situations like in

[00:25:09]   the wind where it's going to want to move around and the more aggressive your pit to and the more battery you're using the more motor heat that gets that gets created because it's staying locked

[00:25:21]   in if you have a middle of the road pit this is why we don't want PID tune that are overly aggressive we want pit tunes that are exactly aggressive enough and no more because if we push them any

[00:25:37]   farther it's going to create additional heat for no benefit so the perfect pit tune is a pit tune that you can take out and fly in whatever the heaviest wind that you want to be able

[00:25:51]   to fly is in and with the most banged up Motors and propellers that you want to fly with this is why a lot of us tune with beat up propellers and we tune in shitty weather we tune in Wind because

[00:26:07]   if you can get the tune just perfect so that it can handle both of those two things and it never goes off set point or it goes off set point just a little bit because that's kind of okay that is

[00:26:21]   where you kind of want it so my cine whoops for example they don't have great Tunes but every single bit of footage that comes out of the cine whoop I put through real

[00:26:33]   steady go and that takes care of all that wobbling and [@$#%] it's for two re it's the tunes on my cine whoops are for two reasons the main reason is that the the old school sinore

[00:26:46]   frames are not stiff enough but the other reason that I realized after a while is that it uses it gets more runtime this way if it's if I'm dropping altit T and it's bobbling around a

[00:26:59]   little bit's literally using less battery energy if it if if I was able to push the tune up further it would push earlier and harder and it would eat more of the battery and I would literally get

[00:27:11]   less runtime and so you want to push your tune like far enough but not too far the the the more chilled out I'm doing it the wrong way the more chilled out your tune is the more runtime you're

[00:27:25]   going to get the more aggressive your tune the more on edge it's going to be and when it's on edge it also is a problem because as you beat the rig up and there's more vibrations coming in

[00:27:35]   it's going to push against those vibrations earlier and eat more of the battery and worst case scenario it's going to push too hard over over correct and then over correct the other way over

[00:27:46]   correct the other way and that's the oscillation that you hear when they try to fly away on their own so great question dude urio says last last remark was a bit serious that's okay every day with Bruno

[00:28:04]   says Mary CH day and Maggie thanks for sharing your hunk of Lu with love with us Ali cat says Happy Valentine's Day Happy Valentine's Day to you as well Denzel the turble says

[00:28:17]   kaios tag cfpv with your question I'm gonna look up and look for kaios kao's question they said when you going to send the lava batteries I bought from from you on Etsy I am a little

[00:28:31]   bit behind on Etsy I get caught up on Etsy on the weekends usually what so today's Friday so tomorrow Saturdays are usually when I get caught up on Etsy I have to just I I just

[00:28:42]   the way that I have to work to stay on top of stuff because there's just so much [@$#%] coming at me at all times is to batch stuff out that's why on Etsy there's a there's a

[00:28:54]   5day shipping and handling time that I have built in there so it tells you that in each item and or when you check out I don't know when it does but so if you order on a Monday

[00:29:05]   Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday hopefully you haven't ordered on a Sunday because then I go a day over but did I although did I already ship those out hold on let me

[00:29:25]   look oh nope there they are oh my God I missed that one I'm sorry dude dispatch by four days ago Jesus Christ my apologies Kaiser go into send me a message on Etsy and find

[00:29:41]   something else on the store that you like and I'll throw it in for you for free sorry brother I I don't know what happened I missed that that order got buried in between these two orders

[00:29:53]   for micro I [@$#%] up the stock number on the micro and I ran out of the damn things and your order got sandwiched in between them and I didn't see it my apologies go to my store find

[00:30:05]   something else that you want that's not $100 and shoot me a message and I'll throw it in for you sticker or something regardless I'll throw a regardless I'll throw in a one of the little

[00:30:17]   magnets but if there's something else on my store that you're that you dig let me know and I'll throw it in sorry dude raise FPV says built a 2S whoop first whoop build noticed I'm getting a decent

[00:30:31]   amount of Jello-O when throttle between 30 and 60 what can I adjust to address this you can adjust the manual not the manual the mechanical system you've got either propellers that are

[00:30:46]   bent up and jacked up or propellers that are out of balance right out of the box so try a fresh set of propellers or a different brand or type of propeller you've got Motors that are

[00:31:03]   out of balance or motor shafts that are bent certain Motors as we're going to talk about in a little bit come from the manufacturers not really all that well balanced or you've got a frame

[00:31:18]   that's broken or too wobbly or like screws that are loose Jello is a mechanical problem you can't pit tune out Jello the the PID tune will not vibrate the quad fast enough to really

[00:31:34]    create Jello in in most cases every once in a while it will be to rule that out you can just grab your master multiplier and pull it down a bunch and that'll rule out the like if

[00:31:51]   it's at 1.0 pull it down to like 6 and then if you still have Jello that it's not a tune issue because by pulling that Master multiplier down as we were just talking about the timing

[00:32:05]   that the pids are going to attack problems is going to slow way down Jello happens with high frequency vibrations and so if you pull that timing way down the vibrations are going to be a

[00:32:19]   lot slower if there are any and that's GNA show you whether or not the the but like I said nine times out of 10 Jello problems are mechanical in nature also your camera mounting sometimes

[00:32:33]   if a camera is not mounted solidly it'll sit there and bounce back and forth in the mount so you got to check that as well there's a whole bunch of stuff for you to check that'll take you a while

[00:32:45]   Aly cat says what exactly is blackbox logging in the easiest terms without over over complicating blackbox logging is the certain flight controllers that have an onboard like

[00:33:00]   storage chip that's like 8 megabytes or 16 megabytes for example it can log or just like record the data coming out of the gyro and so the gyro is the chip on there that notices all of the Motions

[00:33:15]   the pitch the roll and the yaw and the Gyros run at either 3,200 or 4,000 or 8,000 cycles per second so minimum 3,200 times a second that gyro is monitoring every little motion of the

[00:33:34]   Quad all right and so when you turn blackbox logging on that data goes to the pit Loop but it also goes to the blackbox chip and it records it and in the blackbox tab of BetaFlight you

[00:33:51]   can actually set the the refresh rate you can set it to record at 500 times a second th times a second 2,000 times a second usually we do it at about a thousand times a second that gives us

[00:34:04]   data that's good enough and so now you've got this log you've got this log file with everything that the quad was doing when you flipped blackbox on so now you've got that data and you can

[00:34:17]   dump it into blackbox Explorer and that's just a program that visualizes the data so it'll show you like on the pitch axis you can like set one of the traces to be the pitch axis and it'll be

[00:34:31]   like a green line and the green line will show you when it pitches forward or when it pitches backwards and so in there you you can see so one of the things when when we talk about

[00:34:42]   like over correcting right we don't want the pit Loop to be so aggressive that it overcorrects one way this is me doing pitch it overcorrects one way it overcorrects the other way it

[00:34:53]   overcorrects this way overcorrect over correct over correct that's that oscillation right that's bad it eats the battery it heats up the motors it blows up everything in the blackbox log

[00:35:05]   Trace if it's doing that you'll see it go like this you don't want that you want it to be flat there's a little bit of this that you'll get especially like when it's pushing against prop wash so

[00:35:16]   like a little bit is okay but when there's a really big problem you'll see this massive Spike and what's cool is is it separate like pitch will be green roll will be red and then like y'all

[00:35:29]   will be whatever purple and so you can look at the blackbox log and you can see oh [@$#%] my pitch is overactive my pitch is bouncing all around let me back my pitch pids off a little bit this is how

[00:35:42]   you get a perfect tune you can hear and you can see a lot of that bad behavior so even without blackbox you can get a pretty damn good tune Brandon's baked beans is in the

[00:35:59]   chat he's an amazing pit tuner that uses blackbox Brandon continues to be extremely kind to me with his time and every once in a while when I have a rig that I'm having a hard time tuning

[00:36:12]   by ear and by site I'll send Brandon a log file and he'll pull it into blackbox and actually take a look at it maybe I I think at some point at some point I've sent Brandon a file

[00:36:30]   with a rig that was like tuned pretty good and maybe he's willing to say in the chat like how close I was to like the perfect kind of tune one of the things that I tend to do is I'll

[00:36:39]   actually overtune a little bit which is okay so if we're talking about those traces if there's like a little bit of wiggling in the trace that will create a little bit of extra motor

[00:36:52]   heat and I can kind of hear it and kind of feel it and kind of see it less seeing it more kind of hearing it and that's kind of okay but like to get a tune absolutely perfect

[00:37:07]   where there's no excess wiggling which gives you the least motor heat the most runtime stuff you have to do it with blackbox it there there it's just the doing it by ear and by

[00:37:21]   feel you will always be a little bit overtuned or a little bit undertuned because you're having to make bigger jumps like when I move the sliders around I go from like 1.0 all the way up

[00:37:35]   to one sorry this way 1.0 up to 1.2 Brandon he with the log he can have me go 1.05 and then he can see that it'll start to vibrate and he'll be like nope back to 1.0 and now it's perfect on 1.0

[00:37:51]   but for me in that scenario I would have gone to like 1.2 and been like it flies better this way I can kind of hear it but that's okay so there you go great

[00:38:04]   question Islander FPV says Mahalo for another in-depth explanation I'm here for the knowledge and Teddy nice B mud skipper says I bought a 3D printer just to print canopies for tiny whoops

[00:38:13]   and my 04 have you printed much yet I've printed this this is this is all I've printed and it's like pre-programmed into there so I just like pushed three buttons and it started to print the damn

[00:38:25]   thing I did it during the 12 hour stream I've been extremely busy this year and extremely mentally [@$#%] into a cockt and so learning something new is very low on my list of I don't like

[00:38:46]   learning new things anymore I I at 40 something I noticed in my 40s is new things make me very uncomfortable now and I I'm really pushing myself to learn how to dance that's like the had a

[00:39:03]   couple's dance that is like the one thing that I can have in my life right now that's pushing me to learn something new and putting me into like this uncomfortable place I don't it

[00:39:15]   just I don't know it is what it is I will for sure but it makes me very uncomfortable b m Bean says SE can tune all right but I always find something I can gripe about

[00:39:30]    but you're pretty good 100 very cool all right I'm caught up on chat so let's talk about the Mobula 704 on the all right so the first like eight

[00:39:44]   batteries today's Friday on I want to say Monday's live stream I think it was we looked at the first 12 batteries that I flew on this thing the first eight I think it was I flew

[00:40:02]   outside some hard crashes but not a lot of hard hits outside flying this thing and it was totally fine then for Batteries 9 10 11 and 12 I played all of this flight footage on

[00:40:20]   that live stream so you can look at every single crash that I put this thing through for the for Batteries Not 9 10 11 and 12 I flew it in the basement here and the amount of

[00:40:32]   crashes drastically increased and the things that I was hitting got a lot harder right walls the television shelving units the the main beam that runs across the ceiling

[00:40:50]   right in the process of bashing this thing and also the directionality of the crashes changed when you're outside like you'll crash into the ground and you'll hit like this and that puts the energy

[00:41:03]   down here it a lot of the not many outside crashes hit sideways to push energy into the propeller and then into the motor and so flying outside these motors were completely fine well it's not these

[00:41:18]   motors it's these motors that are now off of it those first eight batteries these motors were completely fine by the end of the four batteries that I flew in the basement here two

[00:41:37]   of these front Motors had bent motor shafts at some point one of these front Motors had a chunk of hair that I could not get out of it

[00:41:53]   HQ has unfortunately yet again undersized the inner diameter of these 45 mm triblade propellers so badly that they have they were impossible for me to get off of the

[00:42:11]   motors with any of my prop poppers I have all the different prop poppers none of them could dig under the propeller to get the prop up and off what I love that HappyModel push the propellers all the

[00:42:28]   way down on the motors that makes the the propeller not bend the motor shaft as easily because it's a shorter lever the problem though is that that makes if the inner diameter of the propeller is

[00:42:43]   too small that makes it impossible to get the prop poppers under there to safely remove the propellers and so when that happens the only way to get the propeller off is to grab the propeller

[00:42:56]   grab the motor and twist it and twist the propeller on the motor shaft to get it to loosen up so that you can pull the prop off I did that when I got this big chunk of hair in here while I was at

[00:43:10]   it I drilled the propeller out with my 1.5 mm Bill bit drill bit which are Bill bit which are available on my Etsy store and are super important for every single one of you to have if you're going to

[00:43:22]   fly tiny whoops because of exactly what I'm talking about here I drilled the prop out and then I put it back on the motor but the damage was already done the damage was done in two situations

[00:43:36]   the first time the damage was done is when whoever at HappyModel built this rig pushed the propeller on HQ like I said have screwed up and they've made the inner diameter of the propeller way

[00:43:53]   too small and so it's a bit much to expect HappyModel to [@$#%] sit with a drill bit and drill out every single one of these props right they're not going to do that and

[00:44:07]   so best case scenario would be actually I guess I guess best case scenario would be if HappyModel stopped pushing the propeller all the way down and they left us a little Gap so that

[00:44:24]   when we bought a Mobula 7 4 we could take our prop popper and pull the propellers off and drill them out with our drill bits and then put them back on the problem is

[00:44:39]   that still when they're pushing the propellers on even though they're not burying them all the way down they're pushing they're having to push them on way too hard the motor shaft and the

[00:44:52]   motor Bell are laser welded together and that's not super super super strong and so the problem starts with HQ HQ has screwed up on these propellers as they have with most of the their other ones

[00:45:10]   GemFan as well the majority of GemFan tiny woop propellers are a little bit too tight I think like the GemFan 1210s the by blades the old school by blades I think that they're the only tiny whoop

[00:45:22]   propellers where the inner diameter is actually correct and they go onto these motor shafts like firmly enough that they won't fly off but not so not so firm that you're putting too much energy into

[00:45:40]   the connection point between the motor Bell and the motor shaft and so fast forward to today so I took this prop off once I drilled it out and I put it back on but in the

[00:45:55]   process of taking the prop off I had to twist it's was the only way that it would come off it was absolutely welded to the motor shaft and when I twisted it to pull it off that's when that was like

[00:46:07]   the death blow for this motor I drilled it out I put it back on that was towards the end of me flying I flew One battery on this thing today the the daylight battery that I

[00:46:20]   played at the beginning of the live stream and towards the end of that battery the motor shaft started to spin I am holding the bell of this motor right now and the propeller is welded is

[00:46:34]   I mean it's not really connected that it's not that tight because I drilled it out but it's tight enough that the motor shaft is now slipping on the motor Bell and so the real blame here is on

[00:46:52]   HQ but here's the problem every single one of these motor manufacturers does a slightly different thickness of motor shaft some of them do a motor shaft that's 1.50 mm some of

[00:47:11]   them do 1.45 with the smaller Motors we saw with the RC and power motors they're doing a motor shaft that's like 98 mm thick HappyModel is like 1.0 around there right and

[00:47:27]   so the prop manufacturers have this impossible situation where they certainly don't and we got to see this with the emac props right the emac Avia props their new tiny [@$#%] propellers

[00:47:41]   they chose to make their inner diameter a little bit bigger and if you put those props onto like the RC and power motors with the slightly thinner motor shaft they fly it

[00:47:53]   off and so it's coming back to this problem of a lack of standardization where I mean look like if you're going to say that it's a 1 mm motor shaft make the [@$#%] motor

[00:48:12]   shaft 1 mm if you're going to make that motor shaft 98 you're a jerk right and so there is standardization it's 1 mm and 1.5 millimet and

[00:48:28]   so like I have a maybe the the happy well not maybe let's look I'll tell you exactly who we blame here we'll figure out if HQ is to blame or but see even if is a even if HQ is to

[00:48:48]   blame they're they're dealing with the the the hand of cards that they've been dealt which is that there is no standardization and so for the prop manufacturer to make the Propel the inner diameter of the

[00:49:02]   propeller smaller that makes a lot of sense because if they make it smaller then no matter what at least that prop is going to work one time on a motor right if the inner diameter of the

[00:49:18]   propeller is too big it's a complete pain in the ass so see no HappyModel is not the problem 1.48 God knows how accurate this caliper is but still 1.48 so they've slightly

[00:49:34]   undersized their motor shaft but still these HQ props fit on these HappyModel Motors way too tight way way way too tight and that's what has caused this issue and

[00:49:52]   so at that point I had to switch Motors because I mean so technically if I can ever get this propeller off right this propeller is super hard to get off now because I

[00:50:06]   can't twist it to get it off because the the goddamn motor shaft is spinning on the bell I pushed the the propeller all the way down so now I can't get the it's still pretty tight on here and I can't

[00:50:20]   get the prop popper under here so I'm probably going to have to come in here and with like flush Cutters and carve away at the Hub of the propeller to try to break this prop

[00:50:33]   which is super annoying so all right so that's the deal there at this point this motor is now worthless I don't have any other 1102 is Motors that are 10,000 is cable V so what I did is I

[00:50:59]   had an extra set of BetaFPV 1102 18,000 the old school ones with the three the three spoke Hub in 18,000 KV and so I took I I put these motors on this rig and I dropped

[00:51:19]   the the motor limiting down to like 75% while I was at it I put the 45 mm by blades on that was stupid I shouldn't have changed so many things at once but I assumed that these BetaFPV Motors

[00:51:35]   would be okay I then started to fly this and it was very obvious very quick that nothing was okay the first problem I ran into which is super weird is that and I'm going to start

[00:51:53]   playing the flight footage from this so that you can see what this look looks like is that all of a sudden the I'm just going to play all the flight footage from today so you're

[00:52:05]   going to get to see the fir the the first battery which was the good battery and then you're going to see at the end of this battery the damn thing just wouldn't take

[00:52:14]   off and oh I so I confirm something else you have to use Auto record with arm in order to get this to record on board there is no way to manually turn this thing on so that is

[00:52:34]   super annoying not the end of the world but admittedly super annoying so so this is the battery that I flew earlier today I was a little Overexposed again I got the manual

[00:52:47]   settings all turned on but I I just wanted to I just kind of wanted to get warmed up and I was pretty sure so this is with the front two motor shafts being bent I was pretty sure that I would have a

[00:52:58]   whole bunch of jello but there's actually no Jello I am really impressed by this HappyModel 04 DJI 04 canopy it's holding the camera nice and solid which is maybe why like

[00:53:13]   there's lots of people with 04 having Jello problems I'm starting to think that those camera mounts are just too loose and a nice solid camera mount like this HappyModel one is one of the keys

[00:53:28]   to having no Jello because I've got none I've got no Jello-O on this thing and both of these front Motors when I was flying this are significantly banged up could be a

[00:53:41]   propeller thing as well these 45mm triblade props could be really well balanced and maybe the folks that are having Jello issue one of the one of the most common

[00:53:51]   things for Jello problems is propellers that are out of balance or beat up up also these HappyModel Motors might be really well balanced as well it's probably a little bit of

[00:54:03]   everything the the HappyModel Motors are probably really well balanced these HQ 45mm triblade props are probably really well balanced and this camera mount is probably holding the camera

[00:54:19]   nice and solid which I just sort of know from when I when I mounted it in the in the canopy the white balance is fine it's just Overexposed it's I mean it's actually

[00:54:31]   correctly exposed for the Shadows it's correctly exposed for the ground but little tiny sensors like this don't have a ton of don't have a ton of dynamic range so and this is a perfect

[00:54:47]   so this is now the motor shaft slipping I'm going full throttle and it's barely getting off the ground if I were to do if if I were to have flown this battery with the 04 Pro with the

[00:54:59]   bigger much better sensor that has a much wider dynamic range there would be much more detail in the sky this is a small sensor this is a classic small sensor problem

[00:55:14]   um so I switched the motors over to these BetaFPV 1102 18000s these are an old older motor I'm pretty sure that these motors are not as well balanced and so as you're going to

[00:55:35]   see all of a sudden I start having short run times the pit Loop is freaking out there's too many vibrations basically causing all kinds of issues and for like the next three or four

[00:55:48]   batteries I was having all kind all manner of problems here so this is now with the BetaFPV 1102s oh Half Baked says something it's I'm interested in on my 04 light goggle 2

[00:56:06]   setup manual recording before arm records goggle only but if I arm first oh very cool then manually press record which is what I just did here it records both very cool good [@$#%] call

[00:56:22]   dude I didn't think to try that very very cool I'm gonna I'm GNA move it back Louie says something that's pretty much dead on the money he says it would be funny if all the people

[00:56:35]   crying about soft mounting are actually completely wrong LOL that is almost I can't say almost certainly the case but there is a really good chance that that is the case that has

[00:56:47]   been a problem with 03 for a long time see that low battery warning I just took off look at the voltage Set you can't see the voltage it's in the bottom left corner behind my big old face let me do

[00:57:02]   this and so the voltage is sagging like crazy because the pit Loop is overactive there's too many vibrations also you can see it kind of wobbling around it's there there's there's

[00:57:14]   issues going on here with the 03 these problems started with the 03 everybody started to soft Mount the 03 camera and they were soft mounting it way too much and when you Soft C when

[00:57:27]   you soft mount a camera too much when you whenever you soft mount a camera it's going to have its own resonant frequency the the stiffness of the soft mounting is going to create a resonant

[00:57:40]   frequency and you have to be really careful and you have to really tune that resonant frequency to be somewhere that it's not going to produce a lot of Jello-O soft mounted cameras are a

[00:57:52]   problem you never want to soft mount a camera unless you absolutely have to this is the perfect example this is a completely hard mounted camera and we don't have any Jello In fairness I

[00:58:03]   haven't flown this in the middle of the day under bright Sunshine so I need to do that before we I really talk about that but so far I've got no Jello it's just that like I keep doing chores and

[00:58:17]   [@$#%] all day long until it's like 4:00 5:00 and then I'm flying when the light is a little bit lower and that helps with Jello I'm also locking the shutter down which also helps with Jello

[00:58:31]    so Jello typically happens at higher shutter speeds which I haven't been able to run and so I changed the motors over I have these vibration problems but I have another problem

[00:58:47]   which you're sort of seeing here it happened a couple times when I did those flips and rolls this is just me limping it around you're going to see when I go full throttle

[00:58:57]   here well it's so goddamn dark that you can't see it the problem that I started to have all of a sudden with these motors is that they're stalling out the the for whatever

[00:59:11]   reason the startup power that I had set and the idol the digital Idol that I had set for whatever reason on these BetaFPV 11021 18000s was too low and so the way that you can tell that is when I go

[00:59:28]   zero throttle here it'll like drop an arm for a split second and then it'll catch itself that's a motor basically desyncing from dropping so low the RPM is dropping so low that it runs out of

[00:59:41]   power these these outboard motors don't have much power at super low RPMs and so for whatever reason on these BetaFPV 11021 18000s I had to go in I had flashed blue j16 to it which is

[01:00:01]   my favorite blue jay but I had the startup Powers completely maxed the new version of Blue Jay 0.21 those startup powers are more aggressive so the first thing I did is

[01:00:14]   Flash this to Blue j. 21 and then I started moving those minimum and maximum startup power sliders up up up up up I got them all the way maxed out and it was still it

[01:00:29]   still didn't have enough startup power at that point I went into BetaFlight and I started moving the digital Idol up I moved it from like 60 to 100 still no good 100 to 150 still no good all the

[01:00:44]   way up to 200 still no good what I noticed though is as I was moving that digital idle up in the PID tab it wasn't making anything better which is a problem that I've had on a couple

[01:00:56]   different BetaFPV aios and the for so for whatever reason on this AO the digital idle just like with a couple different BetaFPV aios the digital idle does not work it

[01:01:09]   doesn't do anything and so I actually had to turn the digital idle off and then use the old school motor idle in the motors Tab and I moved it up to like six and it was a lot better but it still

[01:01:23]   wasn't quite there the way that I test it is I just arm it at idle and if it if it the motors that's too low that's going to that's going to potentially call cause it to

[01:01:40]   stall out so then I move the motor idle up to 8% and then it was totally fine and then it started spinning the motors reliably at idle and if they spin reliably at idle and they don't start

[01:01:52]   and stop that's almost always going to be enough pork for them to not stall out when you go zero throttle in Flight and so this is now I believe this is now me with it proper but it had gotten so

[01:02:06]   goddamn dark that you can't see anything so this is kind of worthless but it's not dropping an arm and just being like a hot mess so here's what I'm going to

[01:02:22]   say I I I cannot recommend so these BetaFPV old school all black 1102 Motors I don't think they're good I've had problems with these in the past not being all that well balanced many

[01:02:40]   years ago we're talking like 3 four years ago the the motor manufacturers said we can't balance these little tiny micro Motors we just can't get the balancing mud in there

[01:02:56]   and so they just sold these motors that were not dynamically balanced at all and the they that sucks like they're you can't they don't come out of manufacturing balanced enough over the

[01:03:12]   years they've figured out how to get the balancing mud into these into these tiny little Motors and so nowadays Cur the current generation of micro Motors most of them are

[01:03:27]   balanced and so I'm pretty sure that these old school all black BetaFPV 1102s I don't think that they've changed their manufacturing method I think they made a shitload of these and they're

[01:03:40]   just sitting over the they're just sitting on the store shelves and they just keep selling them and so I cannot recommend these old school BetaFPV 1102s the all black ones anymore and

[01:03:53]   I'm going to have to take them off of this rig I am going to check one thing though before I take him off the rig and so that was the last battery on that battery I'd figured out the motor

[01:04:03]   stalling out issue and it was flying around totally fine which is great but now that I'm going to take these motors off I'm going to have to go through that process again because I'm

[01:04:13]   going to put different Motors on and that's another issue I have I I it has been a while since I've had so many problems with the motors starting up there's something else weird about these

[01:04:25]   motors that caused me to have to go to the really aggressive blue jay for the minimum and maximum startup power and crank the the idle up I do think that on this I could totally be wrong about

[01:04:42]   this but it certainly looks this way that on the Mobula 7 AIO the super I don't know which AO this is but whatever look up the mobul 704 and you'll see which AIO this is I think on this AO

[01:04:55]   just like with a bunch of the BetaFPV aios that the digital idle doesn't work it doesn't seem to work at all and that should not have anything to do with the motors I'm going to back that up because

[01:05:06]   I'm going to move this onto a different frame with different Motors and I'll try it again but it looks digital idle is not functioning which I I don't understand that at all but I've

[01:05:16]   run into it a couple of times before and so I know that that's a real thing that exists in the world so the other so the the one thing I am going to try try with these motors is

[01:05:34]   taking these byblade I wish I hadn't done these byblade 45mm props but these motors were so high of a KV that I didn't want to put the tri blades on I'll figure out a way to get this Tri

[01:05:48]   blade off of this motor with the slipped shaft and I'm going to put those Tri blades on here and I'm so I still have a problem with vibrations on this rig the run times are still pretty short that

[01:06:00]   battery only ran for 2 minutes and 40 seconds and that was actually a 420 MH battery and I was not pushing it hard so there is a vibration problem on this rig right now it might be the propellers I

[01:06:14]   think it's the motors it could be both though and so I have another one of these 420mah batteries that's still charged so I'm going to switch the props over to the 45mm Tri blades and fly it

[01:06:28]   and see what the see what the runtime is like and see if any of the that's what you have to do to like properly isolate an issue and so this is you

[01:06:43]   know this is life with HD camera systems on small quads and it's super annoying but I'm going to change one thing at a time here and get to the bottom of it and I'll I'll fly the sink

[01:07:02]   tomorrow or Sunday and I'll have some more info for you on Sunday but super super super frustrating day frame is still totally fine one of the other things that could be

[01:07:21]   the cause of these HappyModel Motors getting beat up so quickly the motor shaft's bending so quickly is that this is a really stiff frame and so the and it's got like the four supports

[01:07:38]    and so the frame being really stiff that could be a part of the reason why we're not having Jello-O issues but it could also be dumping a lot of energy into the motors and hurting the

[01:07:53]   and bending the motor shafts up regardless this is a rig that you're not going to want to fly inside the house anyway and that's when these motors got these HappyModel Motors got ruined so

[01:08:04]   if you buy one of these Mobula 704s don't fly it in the house it's way too heavy it's way too powerful to fly in the house fly it outside and you probably won't wreck your Motors

[01:08:14]   unless you have to take a propeller off that is really like the biggest problem and I let Jason from HappyModel know I I messaged him earlier today and I explained the whole situation

[01:08:26]    and so he knows there is really no solution though like the again the best case scenario is for him to tell his people that are building these things to not push the

[01:08:43]   motor all the way down on the motor shaft so that when we get them we will have enough of a gap to drive our our prop poppers in here to try to get the goddamn propellers off so that we can

[01:08:59]   then drill them out but like the problem is that we represent what 1% maybe of people that are buying these things and so for us we're going to know that for everybody else they're not

[01:09:14]   going to know to do that they're going to start flying it around the propeller not being far down on the motor shaft is going to put way more stress on the motor shaft right longer lever higher up

[01:09:26]   on there and it's going to actually bend the motor shaft sooner so they probably I mean that if I were them I wouldn't do that even though everybody else kind of does that right like this is one of the

[01:09:37]   first times that I've ever seen a BNF come with the motors with the propellers pushed all the way down in the motor shaft and so this is

[01:09:55]   this is super annoying my fingers are killing me from trying to get this propeller off I keep I keep trying and then my fingers hurt oh now your back's going to hurt cuz you just pulled

[01:10:11]   guard Duty or no Landscaping Duty not guard Duty see this there's it's just it's buried man this is the Clone popper it has the thinnest Little Fork here and the best

[01:10:28]   chance of digging in there but it's just not it just won't it won't get in there let me try one of the other ones oh nope so there's that which is extra

[01:10:51]   annoying that was my day would you guys do to today let me scroll back up here and get caught up on chat now that I'm done ranting and raving off axis says I wish I lived or

[01:11:10]   could visit CiottiFPV you have a printer working it's ass off behind you like me five printers constantly I just have to learn the software I just have to learn the slicer software and and

[01:11:21]   like there's just so much other stuff I I I'm not like desperate to print anything right now and so learning that slicer software is pretty low on my list of of

[01:11:34]   priorities unfortunately but I I will get there at some point there'll be something that I need to print and I'll go on YouTube and I'll type bamboo slicer software how to and I'll spend a

[01:11:44]   half an hour watching somebody explain it to me and then I'll spend another half an hour screwing around with it and then I'll be good to go but like at the moment I don't have anything

[01:11:55]   super pressing that that needs printing man this I should have drilled this propeller out more because it is really really fighting me to come off of here it doesn't help that I took the

[01:12:14]   motor off the frame but still I mean this motor is kind of wrecked anyway so I could just grab this Mo I could just put this motor in in the [@$#%] Vice in the garage and just

[01:12:28]   demolish it but like I just I cannot get it off off axis also says is a proper is a prop washer a good idea nylon or something no because it's would take the space up we need a gap we need

[01:12:49]   nothing down there right when you buy a clone popper Jess gives you this little plastic fork thing and he says you can put this little Fork thing down on the motor

[01:13:04]   shaft and then when you push the propeller down it'll bottom out on that little fork and then you pull the fork out and now you've got your your nice little Gap but then your propeller is

[01:13:15]   sitting up on the motor shaft I don't I like the propeller all the way down in the motor shaft if you're going to do that you can't Hammer the propeller down because this is what

[01:13:24]   happen happens Islander FPV says I'm curious how much variance there is in motor shaft diameter someone should put the micrometers on a bunch of motors and see what they are I've I've I've pushed

[01:13:39]   enough propellers that I have drilled out to the exact same inner diameter I've pushed enough propellers onto enough different Motors to tell you that there is a significant variance RC and

[01:13:50]   power has the thinnest motor shafts for sure a little bit thicker than them are BetaFPV VCI and newbie drone and then HappyModel actually seems to have the thickest motor shafts you can

[01:14:03]   just tell you put you how much force you have to put on a propeller to put it on the motor tells you exactly how thick that motor shaft is Louis says I was looking at thrust to weight

[01:14:13]   ratio calculations today and they're too complicated for the specs we have alone but do you think the thrust to weight ratio correlates to feel of the Quad thrust to weight ratio has to do with a

[01:14:26]   lot for sure the feel also it has a lot to do with the response time and so it has a lot to do with everything olden days of tiny whoops they flew like [@$#%] because the thrust

[01:14:42]   to weight ratio was dog was was just nasty nowadays we're up closer to like 5:1 6:1 7:1 thrust to weight ratio and that's why these things fly so good 5 in rigs are in the in the realm

[01:14:58]   of like 9 10 or 11 to one that's why they fly like such absolute monsters the we don't want that high of a Thrust to weight ratio for flying inside we don't need all that power so where

[01:15:12]   tiny whoops are at now is about perfect you want as much power to weight ratio as possible before up until the point where you're your throttle resolution sucks right for the space that you're flying

[01:15:29]   in if we take one of these 65mm whoops and we go fly it outside it feels like [@$#%] and we want more power because we're outside and it's a much bigger space right and so that's why these

[01:15:41]   like 2 s75 millim rigs fly feel so good outside because they have that they have a higher thrust to weight ratio so it's super important powered away is super super super important flyborg

[01:15:52]   says what motor do you prefer for 75 m that is too open-ended of a question it depends on analog versus HD it mainly depends on that because that drastically changes the all up

[01:16:07]   weight it also depends on 1S or 2S Douglas 6 says what are the manufacturing to tolerances on shaft diameters or are we just too cheap nobody knows nobody talks about it I

[01:16:22]   just micrometer a the the HappyModel 1102 and the shaft was 1.48 I wish they were all 1.5 but they obviously aren't Half Baked with the cool tip on when to press

[01:16:39]   record Co power says we hard mount a camera because it minimizes Jello we soft mount a flight controller because it has an accelerometer now the cameras have accelerometers lessi that's

[01:16:50]   right that's right [@$#%] one of the reasons that these cameras are getting soft mounted is because they have Gyros or accelerometers in them and then if you want to run them through Rock Steady if

[01:17:07]   you want to turn Rock Steady on or run them through gyro flow that's quite the nightmare I forgot about that I forgot about that that sucks brand says word on the street is that

[01:17:28]   the tape on the mppy cable interferes with rock steady I've seen some people getting it peeling it back 10 to 15 millimeters from the light camera the tape the [@$#%] would why would that have

[01:17:43]   anything to do with it I haven't I still haven't had a chance to play around with rock steady so once I do I'll oh that's super annoying that's super annoying I don't know

[01:18:04]   to be honest though I don't know if I would ever really rock steady this footage cuz Rocksteady does not do Horizon leveling and I spent a lot of time Learning to Fly really smooth so I but

[01:18:21]   it would be nice to maybe put this footage through gyro flow to put Horizon leveling on but the problem with that is that the 04 light camera has a fairly narrow field of view Horizon leveling

[01:18:33]   really has to crop in like crazy and so I might never I might never stabilize the footage from 04 light and I don't necessarily know if any of you should either again because of that field of

[01:18:48]   view if if we had a super wide field to view it would be one thing but we don't on the 04 light so there's that skyox says do you think that the cold would also be giving me Jello Outdoors cold

[01:19:14]   shouldn't have anything to do with it inside it seems fine with the fto but it's like 17 Dees F oh Pabo fto okay so it's hard to tell LOL it could on on a rig on a rig with a soft

[01:19:28]   mounted camera the temperature is going to affect the durometer or the hardness or softness of the soft mounting rubber grommets and so that could totally have something to do with it for

[01:19:48]   sure and there in't a goddamn thing you can do about that Denzel the trouble says oh avoid learning stuff on YouTube all those streamers weirdos in my short time looking up

[01:20:01]   3D printing stuff on YouTube the one of the bigger streamer not streamers but content creators on there was a guy that regularly wears Google Glass and I was

[01:20:21]   like oh brother don't do that don't do that like I get I get it man I get it you spent a whole bunch of money on it believe me I get it when I spend a bunch of money on [@$#%] I use the hell out of

[01:20:40]   it but like nobody else is wearing Google Glasses anymore buddy take a hint Co power says slicer is like printing any document file opened proof it click Send print I'll figure out one of these days

[01:21:04]   soon as I have something to print dead stiff says remove the e-clip and take the Bell off that should make it easier to get the prop off why is

[01:21:19]   that it's worth a shot I think that's going to make it harder though because then there's going to be a stick coming out the bottom of the Bell but at that point what I can do is just push the

[01:21:30]   motor shaft up through and that'll allow me maybe that's what maybe that's what he's talking about I'll just be able to push the motor shaft up and through and then I can get the the

[01:21:44]   prop popper the Clone popper onto the onto the damn thing and that'll push it right off so there's the c-clip I refuse to call it an e-clip I just

[01:22:03]   refuse all right so now since this motor shaft has slipped I should be able to just yep there it goes just pops right up and out and so good call good call that will only work on a motor that's

[01:22:18]   ruined you that on a motor that's not ruined I would you you're going to be like torquing on the motor shaft and you're going to potentially bend it but for the most part a propeller being

[01:22:31]   stuck on like this like really not being able to remove it because whoa that is really on there I don't want to break another clone popper the the fork on the Clone popper is

[01:22:47]   really SK skinny so I'm going to use this old school prop popper from Tiny whoop although I'm actually not going to use this because I remember I bent the pin at some point and I had to bend the

[01:23:05]   pin back and I'm going to have to really push on this so n actually what I'm going to do since this is ruined anyway o o I know what I'm going to do I'm going to push this back

[01:23:21]   together I'm going to take these which have textured Jaws on them and again this this is [@$#%] anyway and I'm just going to crank on this and now I can twist the the prop to get it off and

[01:23:35]   there it is so that's how to do it since the Bell is ruined anyway clamping down on the Bell with these if I put this back into the stator on those bushings it would be a wreck but

[01:23:48]   this is ruined anyway so I'll tell you what man this thing flew great as it was out of the box it's just they need to figure out the the propeller situation they've havy model

[01:24:02]   has already undersized their motor shafts a little bit which is really good but HQ is making the inner diameter of the props way too tight way way way way way too tight Co power says sure there's a

[01:24:22]   Nuance to the art but that's ATT ask for future seiti 818 he said that what were we talking about 10 minutes ago coal Powers also says 12 to1 thrust ratio too much for you just motor

[01:24:37]   limit to 15% Captain FPV says have you tried your chip lifter I haven't I haven't used the chip lifter in forever but the the chip lifter is thicker

[01:24:56]   the the forks on the chip lifter are thicker than the Clone popper if you hold them next to each other the the Clone popper is the thinnest Little Fork so it's got the best chance of of

[01:25:11]   digging it in there but I push the prop the the propellers really all the all the all the all the way down on the on the motor shaft I'll put this back together

[01:25:29]   here drift holic says if you fly at 100p I'm going to assume you mean 100 frames per second and conform it to 30 or 60 you will need to be using 1/ 100th frame rate or longer if it allows for

[01:25:45]   more than 360° shut shutter angle 60p 160th equal 30p 160th when you drop half completely lost drift toolic say say that differently I'm completely lost in the sauce on

[01:26:14]   that Cole PO says if he talking about Zack fredman it's not Google Glass he built that himself ah okay that's why he's wearing it he should still not wear it's looks

[01:26:27]   ridiculous then the terrible says Zack fredman is a genius they aren't Google Glass he made them from scratch I was talking about all streamers okay hey does seem like he like a [@$#%]

[01:26:39]   genius I I don't I don't doubt that that he's a genius but like I oh he's got a teleprompter on them well I don't know I I I guess I I'm just a jerk because I can't I can't

[01:26:56]   watch somebody that wears I I did watch a bunch of his stuff but it bothers me just it just bothers me man I don't know why maybe I'm just that I guess I'm just that shallow but that's okay you know

[01:27:14]   we're all we're all allowed to be unique people I'm not going to get into 3D printing and so I don't need to I I won't need to watch a lot of his stuff so it's all it's all good look I didn't

[01:27:29]   go into his comments and say like dude you look like such a douchebag with that thing on your head what an [@$#%] and that's all that matters right he'll never find out that

[01:27:40]   I'm talking [@$#%] ay Lone Wolf says I broke the little elrs copper antenna can I just solder that back on or am I [@$#%] out of luck yep you can sold it right back

[01:27:52]   on Co power says who else wants to jump on the correct c FPV train you guys all all always do that ler says in my goggles it says dshot Telemetry when I arm what is that mean yesc kaput does it then

[01:28:22]   arm if it doesn't arm reinstall I think what that means is that you have RPM filtering turned on or no I'm sorry you have bir directional dshot turned on in the motors tab but then your ESC firmware

[01:28:43]   does not support RPM Telemetry so go into blue J and reflash it if it's not on Blue J you got to get it onto blue J if it's on Blue J just reflash it and hopefully that'll

[01:28:58]   help RC Thrills says ninth hole at nine what's that mean Bor bits says use heat soldering iron on shaft nah we good met said that's a good idea though maybe might make it worse probably make

[01:29:17]   it better Buton says I have the Weeble PPP prop thing and I've never used it how's it compar to the other ones the my one complaint about the wee bed prop pooper is that on the

[01:29:34]   fork the forks are a little bit farther apart and certain propellers on 1 mm motor shafts well no it's just certain propellers the forks are too like if the if the Hub of the propeller

[01:29:48]   is too small like on a lot of these HQ ultral lights the forks are too far apart and they'll they'll slip right off they they're they're not close enough together to grab the little tiny hubs on

[01:29:59]   some of these HQ props they're fine on the GemFan props but on the on some of the HQ ultralight props it's won't work and so the tiny whoop clone popper is my favorite and then

[01:30:14]   there's the old school tiny whoop prop popper which is kind of nice Co power says he quoted oh ninth whole nine wow it's been I forgot about that quote that I read it and it

[01:30:30]   didn't it didn't register that's a [@$#%] deep cut bro RC Thrills has watched Happy Gilmore more times than I have and that's a goddamn accomplishment that is a deep cut who

[01:30:44]   says that Shooter McGavin says that to happy the first time that he meets him to play the joke on them and the sprinklers turn on that's a deep cut bro good for

[01:31:02]   you good for coal Powers too catching it drif toolic says if you record 100 frames and 1/ 100th dropping half the frames in Premiere would give you 50 frames per second 1/ 100th and probably

[01:31:18]   solve your complaint about 04 I'm way closer to understanding what you mean mean now so what you're saying is that I think we're saying the same thing is that you got to set W with

[01:31:32]   these higher frame rates you can't have your sequence set to 30 frames and that's what I don't like I really prefer to edit and watch stuff in 30 frames a second I don't like the way that 60

[01:31:45]   frames a second looks I also don't like the the the file sizes doubling all the other nonsense and so I think we're saying the same thing if you record 100 and you lose half the frames in

[01:31:59]   Premiere would give you 50 frames 100th and probably solve your complaint about 04 no it's I this is going to be a complaint forever and until until the latency is good at 30 frames I'm not

[01:32:19]   going to like this ever and I don't I don't think anybody's been able to make the latency good at those lower frame rates right this is

[01:32:39]    this was a thing man this is a thing I'm annoyed by this but everything in FPV is annoying so why shouldn't this be any different

[01:32:54]    putting these little c clips and washers over here so I mean now I have an extra 102 10,000 KV 1102 10,000 KV HappyModel stator that's that sucks I'd rather not drift holic says you still want to

[01:33:16]   you you still want to use 360° shutter if you want to drop the frames down to 30 from 100 right that's what I'm doing I'm matching up my shutter speed with the frame rate so when I'm at 100 frames I'm

[01:33:40]   at 1/ 100th when I'm at 60 frames I'm at 160th that's the way that you get the least possible Gap in between each frame this is the motor shaft this motor shaft's bent anyway so it's going into

[01:33:57]   garbage and then I save the little bell and stick it on my toolbox here's the here's the Bell collection on the toolbox look at them all there bells that motor shafts have

[01:34:13]   slipped on what I forgot to mention before is there is this Loctite metal onm metal compound it's like locate 685 I could have taken this motor apart and put that in between the shaft and

[01:34:28]   the bell and put it all back together and it would have gotten me back up in the air but I've done that a bunch of times it inevitably starts slipping again so I'm not doing it anymore

[01:34:38]   because you only get I only get like five or 10 more batteries before it start it's just once the the shaft has slipped on the Bell it's over I also did just notice that this motor shaft is

[01:34:53]   not knurled I am going to follow up with Jason Jason actually got back to me I just measured the diameter of your motor shaft during my stream actually and you're at

[01:35:25]   1.48 which is great I guess HQ is all the way down at 1.45 or something I Alo noticed that the motor shaft isn't nled or splin like the 07

[01:36:00]   02s that would help a ton but I assume that you already have a million of these motors made so the splining of the motor shaft so right now the motor shaft is smooth and then the Bell is smooth

[01:36:25]   and so they laser weld around there and so when I twisted it to get it to get that propeller off it that TW you can put a lot of force into twisting and so that's probably what did the majority of

[01:36:39]   the damage the a lot of these 07 02s now so knurling is typically like our like our here's what nerling looks it's like a cross-hatch pattern right and so that's best case

[01:37:01]   scenario is that they they could nurl the motor shaft this way it has strength up down and on the rotational the it looks it's too small for them to do that because they haven't but

[01:37:22]   what they have been doing doing on some of the newer HappyModel 02s is they spline the motor shaft and so they dig in if if the motor shaft is here they dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig

[01:37:35]   dig and so that helps with rotational right if if the if it's splined like this if these are each one of those digs and then you put the the Bell on you spline the bell at the same time right

[01:37:48]   so the Bell has these and then so they go together and so that helps a ton with the rotational so that's another part of the problem with these HappyModel Motors is that the motor

[01:38:00]   shaft is not splined the motor shaft and the bell are not splined if they were that would help with when you rotate the propeller the splines don't help with jamming the propeller on really hard

[01:38:15]   when you push the propeller on really hard those splines ain't going to do [@$#%] and you can very easily push this motor shaft down through the Bell because there's no C clip holding it

[01:38:29]   they're also they're not using a c clip on top of the motor and that's not great either with a c clip on top of the motor like wow none of the 102s I have a bunch

[01:38:49]   of 102s up here flywoo HappyModel sub 250 none of these have c clips up on top the 702 Motors most of them have a c clip Up on Top see that c clip up

[01:39:14]   there see it and so if you push really hard down on that motor shaft that c clip will hit the Bell here's the problem though there's a little bit of a gap it's not this camera

[01:39:27]   is not going to pick it up but there is a tiny little bit of a gap between that c clip and the motor Bell and so if you were to push that motor shaft down hard enough it's would break that laser Weld and

[01:39:46]   then yes it would push that that c clip into the Bell but you've already broken that laser Weld and so you've already hurt the the motor shaft and the bell and so the C clip on top does help but

[01:40:00]   since you can't get it perfectly flush immediately it's good but it's not the it's not a total solution but it would certainly help

[01:40:24]   Co power says if you shoot 60 frames with shutter speed 160th and drop every other frame you effectively get 30 frames per second with proper exposure that that is very true that is very

[01:40:34]   true said it the other day with 120 to 60 in his as an example you're absolutely right which is and what's interesting about that is that that's what I was doing with the 60

[01:40:49]   frame per second 4K footage I think there's something else going on because there still seem to be big gaps in we can see it here so this is 4K 60 footage and if I track forward

[01:41:09]   right and again we'll use Sage's car there's still up like me smacking into the ground the jumps are still pretty big like look at that jump look how big that jump

[01:41:27]   is I would the basically like thus far all of the flight footage that has come off of the off of the and that's straight off the camera right there all of the flight footage that has come off of

[01:41:46]   this it's has that flip book look maybe when I flew this I didn't have the shutter speed speed lock down I got to do more testing I I I just oh oh oh oh the footage from

[01:41:59]   today hold on the footage from today I can drop this in real quick day two oh it didn't it didn't record it didn't record I I'll I'll do more testing we we'll we'll we'll get to

[01:42:16]   the bottom of it but when when I slowed that footage down when I slowed that 100 frame per second footage down the those gaps between the frames really went away and I and it makes me

[01:42:33]   almost think that like and this is total speculation but it makes me almost think like the camera is always running at 100 frames but then if and then when I drop the shutter speed down to 160th it's not

[01:42:50]   actually doing that I don't know it's seems weird but I'll I I'll get to the bottom of it there there there's a there's a chance that this was on auto shutter and it was cranking the

[01:43:02]   shutter speed up to 120 160 1240 because these were the first two batteries that I flew and I don't remember if I'd locked the shutter by that point and I don't want to do this

[01:43:22]   with any of the footage from the goggles because it's different it's like locked in at 1080 we I got to test it more we'll figure it out we'll figure it

[01:43:34]   out RC thr says is this refresh rate just a problem because because you stream and try to show on YouTube AKA I didn't stream so the refresh rate isn't as big of a deal no I just like

[01:43:47]   the way that 30 frames looks it's just a more like this is why movies are not 90% of movies are not filmed in 60 frames there have been a couple movies that have been filmed

[01:44:01]   in it there was a Will Smith action movie that was filmed in and played back in the theaters at 60 frames and it 60 wa watching 60 frame per second footage has all right so sports

[01:44:19]   right like like football there's a there's actually a really good YouTube video about this the the Cinematic look of 20 they they were talking about 24 frames but 30 frames is pretty close

[01:44:31]   and it and it kind of track same kind of deal here with 60 frames a second it looks like football it looks like this like super true to life it's it

[01:44:48]   looks and feels like you're there more whereas 24 and 30 frames it just looks like a movie it's looks way more cinematic right like when we say cinematic 7,000 times this is this is

[01:45:05]   kind of that look and I it's I just I like it I like it better the the live streams and all this [@$#%] like I I I don't care about much of this because YouTube hammers the hell out of the

[01:45:17]   quality so bad that it doesn't matter but when I sit down to do an edit and I spend 2 3 4 10 20 30 hours on an edit I become really really really sensitive to this kind of stuff

[01:45:31]   and I really really really noticed it last night and it and it was bugging the [@$#%] out of me so it's I'm gonna try really hard to figure it out and I'll take you guys along for the

[01:45:45]   ride but for most people they don't care if until you do you you don't care until you notice the difference patrons again you've got a link to this video you can watch it in full 4K and I think

[01:46:00]   you'll see I think you'll see when I go to 50% speed and then when I go to 30% speed I think you'll really start to notice those gaps in between the frames and then if you go back and you watch

[01:46:09]   the flight footage I think you'll at the beginning the 4K everything at 100% speed I think you'll start to notice this like flip book kind of thing and when I say flip book what I mean is

[01:46:22]   like drawing like a little stick figure in like a little book and then right you see the stick figure like animation like individual frames right it's like it doesn't smoothly go

[01:46:36]   there's like these jumps in between each fair warning you'll once you see it you can't unsee it so if you're living in a in a blissfully unaware world right now maybe don't look

[01:46:51]   for it cuz once you've seen it you can't unseen it you'll start to see it all over the place we deal with it in FPV because we move a lot you you drop a camera down on a tripod and you don't really deal with

[01:47:09]   it unless you your subject is like flying across the frame but even in that case you don't you don't notice it as much because your whole frame right like me right now

[01:47:21]   this this is entire frame is static everything is static and then if I take my hand and I move it's my hand only represents a little bit of it on with FPV we take the whole [@$#%] frame

[01:47:36]   everything in the frame and shift it all and so if there's gaps like it becomes much more noticeable denel tble says just got my first tube of E6000 in the mail what should I glue with it everything E6000

[01:47:52]   to the B glue all of your UFL antennas down drift holic says looking at the lat latency chart on roster video I would fly 4K 48 148 and then slow it to 24 in Premiere

[01:48:05]    for YouTube or a gig so here's what's interesting about that I hate the way FPV looks in 24 frames a second 24 frames a second it's kind of causes the same problem it's just slow enough where

[01:48:23]   the even if there's not a jump but even if like an object doesn't jump from here to here it's the the frame rate is too slow and there's like too much motion blur in my and many others of

[01:48:39]   folks that do cinematic FPV stuff 30 frames a second is perfect it's kind of just right I I actually I hate when a producer and editor whoever is hiring me asks for me to fly

[01:48:55]   in 24 frames because I have to specifically me I don't have to but I choose to fly a lot slower because if I fly fast in 24 frames a second the motion blur is just

[01:49:07]   ridiculous because you're at 124th or 148th and that's just that's a little too slow I'm really my my favorite look is 30 frames a second at 160th and so and when you do

[01:49:24]   that you lose that half frame in between right I'm shocked that flying this in 60 frames and then dropping it down to 30 I'm so surprised that it's that I'm having this much of a hard time with it

[01:49:42]   which is what really makes me think that the the shutter speed was on auto so I'm hoping that when I fly tomorrow in the daylight now that this thing works again it's set to 4K 60 I'm hoping

[01:49:57]   that it looks better and it doesn't have that flip book look but we'll see B bits says bad 04 nope 04 is good this is just this is just a thing drift aholic says The Hobbit did 4K 48 and it was a

[01:50:15]   flop but I think Peter Jackson messed up using 270° shutter angle 270 the [@$#%] is 270 oh oh so that's 48 to 60 I guess then right so hey filmed it in 60 and then dropped down to 48 4K

[01:50:35]   48 no any any any movie that you want to be remotely cinematic it's got to be 24 or 30 for going up above 30 it just it just doesn't work quter crew is is who

[01:50:49]   has the if you want to dive into this quarter crew 24 FPS will that find it no let's try 60 I'm pretty sure corter crew has the video about it I could totally be

[01:51:18]   wrong damn it quter crew frame rate this might be it but it doesn't look like I've watched this so I don't think that it is damn it's might not have been them oh it might be this frame rate

[01:51:43]   Ultimate Guide this might be it because I've watched a chunk of this oh oh hold on hold on hold on frame rate this will find it I watched it a long time ago it was

[01:52:15]   really well done though oh man damn maybe I wasn't logged in when I watched it weird I don't know guess it could be in here I mean it just doing like a quick search I'm sure

[01:52:48]   you can find somebody that dives into it and does a really good job explaining it certainly better than me looks like Jason's gonna talk to HQ prop to try to figure it out oh he's

[01:53:11]   gonna send he's gonna send me an extra set of Motors these motors performed really well did a quick edit from my first two batteries send him a link to the edit he's close to a gangly ganger

[01:53:39]   hook him up Jason has always been like super cool with me Jason from HappyModel that is all right so that's everything I got oh no no whoa okay just the audio is

[01:54:05]   gone should be audio is there audio for you guys but not me should be audio for me why is there no audio for me what the hell it's nice that you guys had audio that's weird I don't know why I don't

[01:54:29]   have any audio that's annoying I love the audio to that huge thank you to brain 3D for sending me some stuff bunch of 04 stuff actually they've got this isn't all of

[01:54:47]   their 04 stuff but this is this is a lot of their 04 stuff they've got a great big canopy for 04 that you can use the that little front piece that the 04 light camera comes with to put in

[01:55:00]   there and then it's got adjustable up tilt on the bottom look at this look how cool that is see that down there there it is see that little slot on the bottom where my finger is that's

[01:55:17]   for adjustable uptil how cool is that it's also got a nice big port for the the antenna to stick up and of course their quality is like awesome we've

[01:55:31]   got ah I'm not going to try to use this camera it's going to drive me absolutely insane with the with the focus or lack thereof oh my God that's N9 o00 I got to Blitz through this and

[01:55:44]   then roll I I was planning on doing a shorter live stream this is 6.3 gram we've got a couple of antenna 04 Pro antenna holders that go onto the standoffs right and it's got like a nice little

[01:56:09]   angle to it right there I don't have the standoff centered but it's got a nice little angle to it so you can put that right on the on the back of your frame and then have those sitting up all nice and

[01:56:20]   protected all loud proud like and then this is the one that I really like th this is my favorite of the antenna holding 04 prints these little tubes here are notched for

[01:56:37]   a zip tie to grab on and then they're they're split down the front so you can just take your antenna and just push it into this little tiny tube and then zip tie it down and it'll hold

[01:56:50]   the antenna this is what I will be using this little piece is 2 gram which is awesome this is great this is the best little antenna holding setup that I've seen for 04 absolutely love this

[01:57:03]   and then it's a it's minimalists so it'll fit different widths of rear standoff this is the one this is absolutely awesome they've got a couple different camera plates for

[01:57:15]   the front for the Pro Camera that set it back a little bit and then they just Dro down over the standoffs these are very cool these are what I'll be using on the cpor so you'll get to see these

[01:57:26]   they've got this is for the light camera to give you a couple of holes to screw it down with so the the regular light camera without that little front piece on it this drops right into it and

[01:57:40]   then they've got a couple little slots here that you can drive screws into these are really really really cool these weigh 1.5 grams and then this

[01:57:55]   is he's got a little soft Mount is Hardware set for the AOS frames and that's what this is so again thank you to brain 3D very very cool of them to sponsor me a while back and they've

[01:58:10]   always been amazing about sending me stuff when I oh oh and then this one this is the for the AOS frames it's same kind of deal it puts the antennas up at a 45 but it's not as squishy I don't I

[01:58:23]   don't like this one as much th this is the one right here this is the way to hold the double 04 antenna setup from the 04 Pro this is awesome this is cool too it's a little bit more solid

[01:58:35]   but it doesn't have that spot for you to put the zip tie around this is the one that you want here thank you Brian at brain very cool of you and

[01:58:49]   then a package from Jake FPV over on Discord on my in the patreon only section he listed 10 runcam nano3 cameras for sale and I snagged them not to steal them from all you guys but

[01:59:09]   because I want to do another camera compar I want to add to my camera comparison and show you guys all hopefully all of the different versions of the runcam Nano 3 once I'm done

[01:59:23]   with these they will be up on my Etsy store but I need to get a whole bunch of these cameras because apparently there are like four different versions of the runcam Nano 3 and they all

[01:59:36]   look a little bit different and so I'm going to get a bunch of them I'm going to plug them all in point them at the toolbox just like with the other camera testing and then we'll be able

[01:59:46]   to look at hopefully all four different generations of the RunCam Nano 3 and then I'll put up up my Etsy store so that's super cool and it looks like he also threw in a little Hatchi dor V2

[02:00:00]   frame which is super cool I don't know when I'll use this but if I if I want to do a if at some point I want to track check out a little tiny no prop guard setup this is the frame that

[02:00:13]   I'll do with it thank you dude very cool of you lots of RunCam nano3 in here little packaging job he did putting a little thing very cool I appreciate it brother and then the last thing which

[02:00:29]   it's not like mailbag related but Craig where's the email where's the email where's the email didn't I just clear the [@$#%] emails out Jesus Craig Meyer has done HTML live stream transcripts

[02:00:52]    which are really really cool and this is what it looks like and then you can click the the time codes here and it'll actually open up the the live stream itself and so Craig

[02:01:11]   is working on these it's very very cool you can just do a quick command F and then search for whatever and it'll highlight it and you can go through and it's like the full transcript of the live streams

[02:01:26]   which is super awesome Craig had a couple questions trying to remember where I was talking to him it's I think maybe I was talking to him on Instagram perhaps it was oh no that ain't

[02:01:48]   it that's not where I was talking to him where the hell was I talking to him was like the hardest part of my job is figuring out where the conversations are with with all you guys oh okay looks

[02:01:59]   like I'm also talking to him on Discord it looks like he might be able to automate it which is cool it's not automated yet but he says do you think it needs a full text search

[02:02:14]   interface Google style so that people can find the exact sections that they're interested in and I said no because I think all of you guys realized that you can command or controll F like I just

[02:02:24]   did to have it highlight it right and then he also said how far should I go back so far he's gone back to October 1st 2024 I don't think we need to go back before 2024 right

[02:02:38]   like before 2024 I don't know if there's any value to much of that stuff because the year is going to be so old so if he's able to automated if if if it did it like for all of 2024 and then

[02:02:49]   moving forward I think that would be super awesome once it's good to go I'll this will be a patreon post and so patrons will be able to access full transcripts to live streams from 2024

[02:03:05]   and then moving forward and you can just do a quick command F in each one of those oh maybe what he's talking about is the ability to search all of them so that you can search for mobula

[02:03:24]   7 and then it'll hit all of those all at once I guess that would be kind of important I'll talk more to him about it I don't know if he's I haven't seen him in the chat yet let me get caught up

[02:03:35]   on chat and then I'm going to go Avatar 2 mixed 24 frames per second and 48 sequences I noticed them almost every time it changed most people didn't most people won't notice

[02:03:52]   I haven't seen it yet now I'm going to see it now I want to see it to see if I can tell meton says there was a movie called Public Enemies where a few action scenes were in high frame weight I

[02:04:01]   remember watching in the theater and being like what the hell am I even seeing it's pretty once you once you notice it you'll always notice it's it's

[02:04:12]   interesting Lou says what does increasing decreasing motor size do and why would you do it more power Andor more Cooling also what's the difference between changing diameter versus height

[02:04:27]   secondary question would 103 be too much for a 75mm 2S yes you want 102 or 1102 you don't need to go all the way up to 10:3 what's the difference between changing diameter and height long

[02:04:41]   story short the height of the motor adds a lot of extra power and no extra cooling more width adds a little bit oft extra power and a lot of extra cooling the ratio that you want is three to one

[02:04:59]   for freestyle or racing let's say this 3 to one for racing four to one for freestyle five or six to one for cine whoops carrying like a mega payload because you want that extra width

[02:05:18]   because on a 3-in rig 20 GoPro is heavy as [@$#%] so you need a five or 6:1 ratio for all of the extra cooling The Wider the motor is the more of the motor is in the airf flow to keep it

[02:05:35]   cool drifto holic says in cr's chart he has parenthesis showing that in some modes the camera runs at Double the recorded frame rate could this be the reason your footage is borked it totally

[02:05:49]   could be where does he show that that I might watch his entire review again I didn't catch that on the first time through dri holic says I agree 24 frames per seconds looks bad

[02:06:07]   moves are are too fast and they break cinematic panning rules Arizona Lone Wolf says any issue using the RC and Power 102 on the Mobula 7 seem noticeably small smaller than

[02:06:22]   the beta fv1 18,000 I was using it depends if it's a heavy ass Mobula 7 it might not be enough motor the BetaFPV is an 1102 but if it's a reasonable weight Mobula 7 it should be totally fine Nate

[02:06:40]   Adam says it was 4K 48 to do 3D comfortably oh interesting 3D oh my God what a nightmare that was DC DK I didn't tag me but I just happened to see it he says love from Denmark my friend from a

[02:06:59]   proud Patron thank you for the support brother metalon says spider sugar said he's not streaming tonight in case you had up going along no I gotta roll man I gotta go get some dinner with Maggie Dave S

[02:07:11]   says how's the [@$#%] I don't have to but I really want to Dave S says how's the Cockroach 75 frame it's too fragile don't do it Mort upshot with the last comment of the live stream he says these

[02:07:20]   videos you referenced are on patreon or Discord in the patreon section what videos that I referenced as quick as you can [@$#%] what video are you when you say these

[02:07:35]   videos you referenced what's that mean frame rates no the there are other people they they're other people's videos I don't remember who it was I don't remember the content creator on

[02:07:56]   YouTube where I watched it but if you just search YouTube for like 24 FPS versus 30 or like versus 60 or something you'll find you'll find a bunch of or if you start looking for

[02:08:10]   like shutter angle look for videos surrounding shutter angle they will explain what what it all kind of means thanks for hanging out friends I'll see you again Sunday at 3:00 Eastern

[02:08:24]   Gerald undone that might be the one drif aholic that that sounds awful familiar he might be the guy I'll see you Sunday at 3 hopefully it's not pouring with rain tomorrow so I can do some

[02:08:34]   flying and get to the bottom of some other stuff I just spit hopefully you guys didn't see it here's some again on my Discord in the patreon hangout channel is a link to this edit

[02:08:46]   that I'm almost done check it out it's the first couple of batteries with this thing it's pretty damn good Love You by this footage is all useless here's the one before the

[02:09:08]    motor Bell and motor shaft parted ways yet it's Overexposed that's okay though love you bye okay OBS doesn't work n a